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Old 01-31-2014, 02:07 PM   #1
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My wife drives a 2012 Audi TTS (2.0 TFSI ) 10 minutes to work and 10 minutes home each day. The first time I added oil I was surprised to find a full 8 oz cup of white GOO had collected on and under the fill cap. I found it accumulates at the rate of 1/2 shot class (20 ml / 1 oz) every couple of weeks. I believe this moisture will eventually destroy metallic elements within the engine.
Both the local dealer and Audi USA have told me this is strictly my problem and results from the manner we use the car. I would like to hear from, and to find out, #1 If other 2.0 TFSI owners think this is a problem and #2 If they have had similar problems and what the response of Audi has been. Thanks...vance
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Water vapor. VERY common in cold weather. You NEED to let that car warm up and run long enough to burn the water off. Shame on Audi for saying it's "your problem".. They should coach you to avoid such repeated short trips at all costs.
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Be sure the crankcase vent system is functioning and that all the hoses and breather valve are not clogged up with that goo. If it cant breath it will not be able to pull out water vapors as they boil off.
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Water vapor. VERY common in cold weather. You NEED to let that car warm up and run long enough to burn the water off. Shame on Audi for saying it's "your problem".. They should coach you to avoid such repeated short trips at all costs.
Kris...1st...Thanks for responding. Audi has told me repeatedly that I need to drive the car for a time long enough to burn this off. I understand this would be ideal...but it's not reality. I don't remember receiving a disclaimer when I purchased this car "Do not buy this car if you're only going to drive it 10 minutes to work". My wife has made this same commute for 11 years in 4 other vehicles and we have never had this problem. Audi and every other manufacturer tests (or should test) their cars in various environments including cold weather, desert etc extensively before releasing these cars into production. I have suggested to Audi that perhaps a different (hotter)thermostat would allow this car to burn off this moisture. I timed how long the car took to warm up to full operating temperature last night (44 degrees F). In 8 minutes of idling it never came up to full operating temp. It took 5 more minutes of driving for the needle to reach the normal range.

At the end of the day the car should perform irregardless of whether or not people make a 10 minute trip or a 2 hour trip.
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Be sure the crankcase vent system is functioning and that all the hoses and breather valve are not clogged up with that goo. If it cant breath it will not be able to pull out water vapors as they boil off.
Pro...Thanks for responding. I end up spending about 10 minutes a week cleaning this GOO out of the filler area and cap each week. I have owned several Jaguars, an Acura, and about 40 other cars and have never ever had this problem. When I owned a Jaguar the joke among owners was always what a great car but a pain in the ### to own in a masochistic sort of way. I never imagined this when we bought this Audi famous for "TRUTH IN ENGINEERING (TM)" ;>). I am embarrased to talk with my friends about this car. Audi has "checked all systems" and pronounced them OK on this 2012 TTS with 10,000 miles and full factory warranty.
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Please read my original post regarding the creamy white GOO that forms in the oil fill area of my wife's 2012 AUDI TTS. It is my belief that Audi should have the technical ability (TRUTH IN ENGINEERING (TM) to design and manufacture cars that perform properly under all manners in which an owners might operate them. I have suggested a possible change of thermostat as a possible solution.
Unfortunately, Audi of America has told me that as the car won't warm up to normal temp idling for 5 minutes I must instruct my wife to either find a new job that is 20 minutes farther away in order to let the car warm up properly or accept that this white GOO will be a continuing problem for me and hope that if the engine does suffer because of it my warranty will cover it's replacement.
PLEASE I must presume that legal action is my only recourse. I really need the help of the Audi community. I would be very greatful to see posted here a response from each of you that describes your honest opinion of this entire situation so that I may best know how to proceed. Thank you all for taking your time to help me resolve this issue. Vance
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You're not going to get a lot of support from an Audi community to sue Audi. Not to mention, most if not all internal combustion engines will have the same problem in cold weather. Any that don't either are hiding it better, or are magic.

The fact is that this highly engineered TURBOCHARGED engine is designed to maintain high RPM driving for lengths of time, it may take a little longer than 2 minutes to come up to temps.

I'd suggest that if your wife's commute is truly that short, get a car that is of the low performance type, like say a Toyota or Honda..
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Best way to clean it out is to take it for a good hard drive. Let it get hot, and work it.
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Best way to clean it out is to take it for a good hard drive. Let it get hot, and work it.
Our opinions differ but I very much appreciate your response. Thanks...vance
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I'm gona go out on a limb and say that nobody at Audi ever told you or your wife that you should get a job 20 minutes further from your home to solve your problem. Not only did they ever say that, they never even suggested it.
What they did say was it takes a few minutes of driving for the car to get to normal operating temperature.
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It's WIDELY known that short trips such as your wife's commute are car killers. Search "white goo on oil cap" on Google, and you'll find threads in forums for literally every car brand known to man about this topic. It happens to them all. All cars have to deal with water vapor in the oil. This is not just an Audi or VW thing.

It's also not the end of the world. It will only be very bad in extremely cold weather. Once things warm up, the problem will all but go away.

I'd still suggest that perhaps once or twice a week she take the long way home, and give it the beans a few times, to really get the oil flowing. The old "Italian Tuneup" works wonders on German cars too. =)
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An Engine creates 1 gallon of water for every gallon of gasoline burned. How is it Audi's fault you drive the car 5 minutes a day in super low temps. Its how it is, cold engine suddenly has heat inside water condenses in the crankcase and the oil must reach the boiling point of water to get the water to boil out. Just change the oil more frequently. The 10-15k oil changes are not doing any 2.0T any good. And if thats your oil change intervals driving it 5 minutes a day its really not going to last long. Its how any internal combustion engine is. Cold=wear hot=efficiency. You drive it cold always so its going to wear fast.
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I'm gona go out on a limb and say that nobody at Audi ever told you or your wife that you should get a job 20 minutes further from your home to solve your problem. Not only did they ever say that, they never even suggested it.
What they did say was it takes a few minutes of driving for the car to get to normal operating temperature.
Dave...Thanks for responding. I apologise for allowing my frustration with this situation to allow sarcasm to slant my posting. However the the words that Audi has used to advise me regarding this situation have exactly the same effective meaning.

My feeling that an Audi is just a car and should work at least as well as all the other cars I, and many of my car buddy friends, have owned. I do undesrstand that in an ideal world we would operate the car longer but also think the reason auto manufactures test cars in the desert, in the artic, and a hundred other ways is that they recognize that some owners will operate the cars in extreme environments.

Every other car I have owned with the exception of this Audi has been able to warm up in the time my wife commutes enough to prevent accumulation of moisture in the crankcase.

All of the other car guys I speak to agree this GOO is just not right? Again, thanks for your thoughts on the matter....vance
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It's WIDELY known that short trips such as your wife's commute are car killers. Search "white goo on oil cap" on Google, and you'll find threads in forums for literally every car brand known to man about this topic. It happens to them all. All cars have to deal with water vapor in the oil. This is not just an Audi or VW thing.

It's also not the end of the world. It will only be very bad in extremely cold weather. Once things warm up, the problem will all but go away.

I'd still suggest that perhaps once or twice a week she take the long way home, and give it the beans a few times, to really get the oil flowing. The old "Italian Tuneup" works wonders on German cars too. =)
Thanks again Kris...we certainly do try to get out when we can to really warm it up.best wishes...vance
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Kris...1st...Thanks for responding. Audi has told me repeatedly that I need to drive the car for a time long enough to burn this off. I understand this would be ideal...but it's not reality. I don't remember receiving a disclaimer when I purchased this car "Do not buy this car if you're only going to drive it 10 minutes to work". My wife has made this same commute for 11 years in 4 other vehicles and we have never had this problem. Audi and every other manufacturer tests (or should test) their cars in various environments including cold weather, desert etc extensively before releasing these cars into production. I have suggested to Audi that perhaps a different (hotter)thermostat would allow this car to burn off this moisture. I timed how long the car took to warm up to full operating temperature last night (44 degrees F). In 8 minutes of idling it never came up to full operating temp. It took 5 more minutes of driving for the needle to reach the normal range.

At the end of the day the car should perform irregardless of whether or not people make a 10 minute trip or a 2 hour trip.
- you know its actually detrimental to the motor to idle for extended periods of time.

and Audi is correct in you should repeatedly drive longer trips with varying loads(to increase/decrease vacuum) as this will help remove water vapor through part of what the PCV system is designed for.

- its either that or change your oil more frequently.

you probably should check the PRV/PCV valve to make sure they are not clogged as this will further contribute to these problems.

one way to make the car warm up faster is changing the ratio of additive to water in the coolant.

using 50/50 ratio will allow car to warm up faster than using 60/40 or 70/30.

usually going higher ratio with coolant should only be done where conditions permit the use such as higher ambient outside temps.

the fact that the car will warm up by the time your wife gets to work will have little effect on the water, this is because she(and im assuming) will shut the car off upon arrival to work.
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