Quattro Ultra
#52
AudiWorld Member
Part of the problem is branding. Audi decided to call it QUATTRO ULTRA which just begs to be ridiculed. Especially when "Ultra" in AudiLand also means lower HP/torque in the A4 Ultra.
You can't simultaneously link "Ultra" to the lower-powered, non-enthusiast's model of the A4 and also claim that it symbolizes the next generation of QUATTRO.
You can't simultaneously link "Ultra" to the lower-powered, non-enthusiast's model of the A4 and also claim that it symbolizes the next generation of QUATTRO.
#54
AudiWorld Super User
I don't think that's how Audi actually positions quattro ultra. It's not really the next generation quattro. Listening to some of the interviews, they are primarily going after the mainstream buyers, who traditionally opted for FWD due to higher fuel consumption concerns with quattro. Higher output engines and the performance models at least in the near future won't be getting quattro ultra. It's combined with the lower power/torque engines. I personally think the gains are marginal. 0.3 liters/100 km doesn't make much of a difference. Supposedly traditional quattro adds 0.5 liters/100 km over the FWD drivetrain, so quattro ultra adds only 0.2 liters/100 km in the most ideal scenario, so it's almost as efficient as the FWD drivetrain. For a dynamic driver where the system spends a whole lot more time in AWD mode, the savings are probably quite small. In the aggregate it makes sense for Audi, the more quattro ultra cars they sell, the higher the combined fuel and emission savings get.
Last edited by superswiss; 02-24-2017 at 08:59 AM.
#55
#56
AudiWorld Senior Member
I don't think that's how Audi actually positions quattro ultra. It's not really the next generation quattro. Listening to some of the interviews, they are primarily going after the mainstream buyers, who traditionally opted for FWD due to higher fuel consumption concerns with quattro.
(I can understand that things are different in the rest of the world, but I think that people buy FWD Audis there for cost reasons and I don't expect quattro ultra to be materially cheaper than old-fashioned quattro)
#57
How many mainstream buyers in North America actually buy FWD Audis?! If one was to show up at an Audi stealership in Arizona or Florida or California, would most A4s on the lot be FWDs?!?!? (I'm sure that the MBs/BMWs down the street would be RWD, while MB has basically discontinued RWD in Canada...)
(I can understand that things are different in the rest of the world, but I think that people buy FWD Audis there for cost reasons and I don't expect quattro ultra to be materially cheaper than old-fashioned quattro)
(I can understand that things are different in the rest of the world, but I think that people buy FWD Audis there for cost reasons and I don't expect quattro ultra to be materially cheaper than old-fashioned quattro)
#58
AudiWorld Super User
How many mainstream buyers in North America actually buy FWD Audis?! If one was to show up at an Audi stealership in Arizona or Florida or California, would most A4s on the lot be FWDs?!?!? (I'm sure that the MBs/BMWs down the street would be RWD, while MB has basically discontinued RWD in Canada...)
(I can understand that things are different in the rest of the world, but I think that people buy FWD Audis there for cost reasons and I don't expect quattro ultra to be materially cheaper than old-fashioned quattro)
(I can understand that things are different in the rest of the world, but I think that people buy FWD Audis there for cost reasons and I don't expect quattro ultra to be materially cheaper than old-fashioned quattro)
#59
AudiWorld Member
Austin dealerships have about 50/50. I get Illinois getting all quattros: More profitable for perceived driving improvement.
#60
AudiWorld Super User
I haven't driven an FWD car in the snow but I know many people here who have and they all swear by AWD. So I guess that is another reason for having quattro here.