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Old 06-22-2014, 01:42 PM   #1
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So I am starting to regret my new A6 purchase. I just saw all the specs and pricing on the new sonata and in opinion, its way more bang for your buck! I realize that its only 200hp, but I don't drive fast so the hp is a moot point for me. Wondering what you guys thought? Amazing that the new Sonata has 106 cu/ft of total passenger Volume to the A6's 97cu/ft. The cargo area is bigger on the Sonata as well. Its electronics options and safety options blow Audi out of the water (minus Audi's Google maps).

I recently test drove the new v6 2015 genesis and it definitely out-performs my Audi hands down, and its much quieter and the AC seats work 10x better. Will be curious to see how much of the Genesis engineering carries over to the Sonata. I guess this is all no surprise seeing as Peter Schreyer is now running the show at Hyundai, bad move by Audi to let him go. Looks like I may be trading in my Audi soon!
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The Koreans are building some very nice cars these days. I think they're the Japanese cars of the early 80's - excellent but not yet recognized for that.

With all that said, I think Audis have never (at least across my time with them) been "worth" the price objectively. It's the 100s or 1000s of little subjective things that add up to one suddenly thinking a $60K car is "worth" it.

The only thing I'd say, is your money is already spent on the A6, drive it and enjoy it. Otherwise you'll quickly find out that Audi puts the resale value right on the hood.... 0000
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Well, I've never driven a Sonata or a Genesis but I always thought the Genesis was a better comparison to the A6. I do think the Genesis looks good, and maybe even better, on paper, but these are not a fantasy league exercise. In my book it's more than what's on the paper that persuades me, and the A6 has that something special in spades IMHO. Yesterday I found myself cruising nexted to a new Infiniti Q50. Nice looking machine. And I'm sure it has better amenities for less money than my 3.0T Prestige, but that guy doesn't know what he's missing and that's just fine by me.
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So I am starting to regret my new A6 purchase. I just saw all the specs and pricing on the new sonata and in opinion, its way more bang for your buck! I realize that its only 200hp, but I don't drive fast so the hp is a moot point for me. Wondering what you guys thought? Amazing that the new Sonata has 106 cu/ft of total passenger Volume to the A6's 97cu/ft. The cargo area is bigger on the Sonata as well. Its electronics options and safety options blow Audi out of the water (minus Audi's Google maps).

I recently test drove the new v6 2015 genesis and it definitely out-performs my Audi hands down, and its much quieter and the AC seats work 10x better. Will be curious to see how much of the Genesis engineering carries over to the Sonata. I guess this is all no surprise seeing as Peter Schreyer is now running the show at Hyundai, bad move by Audi to let him go. Looks like I may be trading in my Audi soon!
With all due respect, if you are comparing an Audi A6 to a Sonata your not the type of customer who appreciates an Audi for what it is, and how it's different from a non luxury brand, I do not see why you would spend the money on an Audi in the first place.
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So I am starting to regret my new A6 purchase. I just saw all the specs and pricing on the new sonata and in opinion, its way more bang for your buck! I realize that its only 200hp, but I don't drive fast so the hp is a moot point for me. Wondering what you guys thought? Amazing that the new Sonata has 106 cu/ft of total passenger Volume to the A6's 97cu/ft. The cargo area is bigger on the Sonata as well. Its electronics options and safety options blow Audi out of the water (minus Audi's Google maps).

I recently test drove the new v6 2015 genesis and it definitely out-performs my Audi hands down, and its much quieter and the AC seats work 10x better. Will be curious to see how much of the Genesis engineering carries over to the Sonata. I guess this is all no surprise seeing as Peter Schreyer is now running the show at Hyundai, bad move by Audi to let him go. Looks like I may be trading in my Audi soon!
Since passenger and cargo volume seem to be important to you, have you considered a minivan with air conditioned seats?
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So wait, the sonata has a bigger trunk and is half the price. Which safety features are you lacking on your A6 that the Sonata has?

You said you don't drive fast, so why does it matter if the Genesis out performs the A6? And I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell I'd pay that kind of money for ANY Korean car, I don't care how good it is.
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As far as "bang for the buck" cars, used simply for transportation, I thing the Genesis along with the Subaru WRX sti are way up there.

My issue is, when I get some free time and the kids are sleeping, I take my instant detailer out to my garage, wipe down my car and think "damn I love this beautiful *** car." When my wife is around to watch the kids and I have free time, I go for a drive to nowhere and think "damn I love driving this car."

While I appreciate many of the cars produced by Asian manufacturers, they don't give me that feeling that a car guy should have for his car. If I viewed my car merely as transportation, there would have been many better options than my Audi and I would probably be in a Genesis. My relationship with Asian care can be defined by the old adage "Its not you, its me..."
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Well, if you sell it I'll trade ya my 19" OEM wheels for your 20's!!
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There are certain things a person should have a sense of pride in, whether it be family, career, or in many of the posters' here case, their cars. A passion for something and a love for that passion can offer you a place of reconcile when things go rough, and as a person with past mistakes, cars offered me a place of refuge. Enjoy what you love and work towards keeping it.

The Sonata was just redesigned for 2015. The A6 was designed for 2011/12. When Samsung and Apple come out with phones that run circles around last year's phones, it goes to show that it is hard to beat something brand new with an old design. If cars are more of a transportation factor, keep to that. There are quite a bit of bargain buys out there, as Hyundai just showed. For some though, they are an extension of themselves, something that shows pride in what you've worked for.

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Whenever I read a post like this from someone relatively new to participating in the discussion forums, I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses. Kinda like sitting in the home stands of the home team at a football game and cheering for the other side just to see the reaction you get.
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The 2015 Genesis is copying the 2012 BMW, MB, Audi, and Lexus car designs, tech, etc.

Sorry dude but its already 3 years behind. Take it apart individually, and it gets worse. Headlights are from 2008 Audi A5 designed like a 2013 GMC Acadia. Trunk rear lid is from a 2011 M37. The rear exhausts are from a 2010 MB e350.

So yeah it makes sense that the Genesis is cheaper. Its like buying a used car in 2015. Need more proof? You're not comparing the first model year 2012 A6 to a 2009 Genesis so why compare a 2015 Genesis to a 2012 A6? Because in 2012 the A6 was ahead of the genesis and in 2015 its on par with 2012 a6.

Finally, the Genesis has an identity crisis. Example 1: two radically different badge designs in the front and back. Example 2: my first impression when I saw it on the road was of confusion Example 3: oh its a copycat

Genesis looks good and blends in with the rest of the sheep. However, its not a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a copycat in sheep's clothing. There's nothing wrong with that if it floats your boat. Just don't pretend its anything else or you'd be lying to yourself.

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Whenever I read a post like this from someone relatively new to participating in the discussion forums, I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses. Kinda like sitting in the home stands of the home team at a football game and cheering for the other side just to see the reaction you get.
I felt like this when I read it. Not even comparing it to the Genesis, but the Sonata? I enjoy my A6 more than any other car I've owned. Before the Audi I was strictly Asian (Infinity, Acura, and Lexus). None in my opinion compare to this vehicle. Also, for the tough season we had in PA last winter, the Audi with winter tires did better then any other vehicle any of my friends and family owns. It was unstoppable. I'm already looking and dreaming of an S6/S7 when I'm ready for another in a few years.
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Whenever I read a post like this from someone relatively new to participating in the discussion forums, I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses. Kinda like sitting in the home stands of the home team at a football game and cheering for the other side just to see the reaction you get.
I must say that I felt the same way when I read the post before anybody had responded. Also, after I had read it I was stumped for a response (which is very unlike me!).
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With all due respect, if you are comparing an Audi A6 to a Sonata your not the type of customer who appreciates an Audi for what it is, and how it's different from a non luxury brand, I do not see why you would spend the money on an Audi in the first place.
I think this sums up the context of the OP. There are certainly other cars that are a better bang for the buck, with some features that may be better implemented, but Audis are very much about the driving experience, fit and finish of materials, and the enjoyment you get from driving and owning such a machine.

I can't fault the OP for appreciating bang the for the buck and wanting to spend less on a vehicle. It would be interesting to hear why he decided on the A6 initially.
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...I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses...
I agree.

On the other hand, if what you want is a "transportation appliance" to simply move you from one point to the other with minimal cost and fuss, then there are many cars that would be a better fit and buy for you than one of the German cars.
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Whenever I read a post like this from someone relatively new to participating in the discussion forums, I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses. Kinda like sitting in the home stands of the home team at a football game and cheering for the other side just to see the reaction you get.
Yep, has to be, or I feel sorry for the OP. For sure if it is a genuine question, the OP should go with the Hyundai. I think they make nice looking cars and have fine gadgetry, but I have never once been excited by the prospect of a Hyundai. Any Hyundai I have driven in has peeling chrome on the door handles and pieces falling off the exterior. Now to throw out the Sonata is laughable, a Hyundai Sonata... Really?

I almost feel like you should be booted out of the Audi club, maybe we can help facilitate your move to Hyundai.
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I've tried one of these "bang-for-the-buck" moves in the past, specifically a Hyundai, after having owned BMW and Audi. For most people (probably very few of us here), the Hyundai would have been fine, but it only took me five months to unload it. Having subsequently owned more Audis and a couple of 911s, no Hyundai is going to cut it. Hyundai et al make decent enough cars, but it's what's underneath that counts, and spec sheet shopping is a fool's game.
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Whenever I read a post like this from someone relatively new to participating in the discussion forums, I have to wonder if it isn't one of those "toss a hand grenade" things designed solely to enjoy watching the emotional responses. Kinda like sitting in the home stands of the home team at a football game and cheering for the other side just to see the reaction you get.
I have a different take on the OP’s posting. I have loved my last four Audi’s, no question about it. However, I am the sort who can “settle” for things fairly easily and from time to time I see a KIA, a Chevy (whatever) – even a Subaru recently – and I think for a moment “ah, maybe that will be my next car.” Last time I rented a KIA Soul on a vacation I fell in love with it.
Audi’s are expensive, so I always wonder if I need the luxury and such they offer. Right now I am trying to decide what to do when my current 2013 A6’s lease is up in December 2015. I went through the same drill in 2008, 2010 and 2012 and each time wound up with another Audi. One thing that is making my uncertainty a bit more real this time is the little rear-ender I had in April last year. The damage was minimal (not structural) and the repair work good, but in some sense I can’t wait to get rid of this car because in my mind it is “damaged goods.”
I can settle for a simpler and cheaper car so long as it is solid and sound for what it is. That being said, I will be driving my A6 to Watkins Glen for the 6-Hour Tudor race this coming weekend, participate in the Audi corral events and have breakfast with the Audi drivers. Sometimes the grass does look greener for a moment or two, but we usually wind up not going across the street for some pretty good reasons.
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If you want a car that makes economic sense and gives you the best value for your money, Hyundai is probably a better choice than Audi.
Having said that, I think the A6 is one of the luxury cars that provides relatively good value for its price in its league. (compared to its competitor models or Audi's own A7)
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There are different kinds of "value". One is intrinsic value which is what the actual object costs, more or less, to build the car plus a profit for the seller. Then there is comparative value which is derived by the competitive brands and models to each other. Finally, there is subjective value which is placed solely by the one assessing the value. Brand loyalty, uniqueness, status, appearance and pride of ownership are examples. Those, generally, who decide to purchase an Audi tend to place more importance on the subjective over the other two. Much like they probably do in other purchase decisions. Any car will get you to your destination but some provide a superior sense of satisfaction while getting there. "It's not the destination but the journey".
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