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Old 05-12-2014, 07:19 AM   #1
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Default How about Pirelli P7 AS Tires ?

Hello all,
Its time for new tires, So far i have 1 set of summer tires and 1 set of winter tires. My summer tires are at the end of life so i am considering to buy a set of All season tires.
I think i can still use my winter tires for atlest 2 winter seasons.
I was at the discount Tires and they suggested me for P7 As for $228 each.
I have no idea how these tires are ( Reviews for these tires online is excellent) Please it comes with 70,000 miles warrenty.

I have checked couple of forums and lots of have adviced about "Michelin PSS" but these tires comes with 45,000 miles warrenty..

My driving skilles are Normal, i dont go for raceing or on Track.. Just a normal driver...

What do u say about P7 ?
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I do not have experience with the P7 All Season. However I do have a Pirelli All Season tire on my car and have been happy with it.

Now I should not that lots of folks on this forum dislike Pirelli. And quite honestly, my past experience with them 7 years or so ago led me to the same conclusion.

However because of some issues with a change in incentives from when I ordered my car to when it arrived, I was able to get the dealer to put on a set of all season tires when I picked up the vehicle at no cost (and I kept the OEM Pirelli performance tires).

I did have to take the tires they had in stock - which turned out to be Pirelli All Seasons (P6 I believe). Must say I have been pleasantly surprised by them. Perform well, quiet, and the wear seems very good so far

those P7 All Season Plus have absolutely amazing ratings on Tire Rack - probably better than anything in its class so I would not hesitate to buy them.

I am sure you will hear from others who dislike Pirelli - and like I said I used to as well but have been happy with my current Pirelli All Seasons and all those ratings on Tire rack can't be wrong
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My experience with pirelli is that they tend to have two kinds of AS tire compounds, soft summer like and rock composite that goes down slow. I would tend to bet that in general, a UTQG higher than 500 with good ratings is a well rounded tire, no pun intended.
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I used to feel very negatively about Pirelli, especially the P6 units until I put a set of the new P7 Plus on my 2002 A4, these are really good tires, 6500 miles on them, no measurable wear, quiet, smooth ride and decent handling. I would not hesitate to give these a try,
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IMO and experience with various Pirellis? Walk don't run to most anything else.
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As I said I used to run away from Pirelli tires, have been a Michelin owner for most of my 50 years of driving (from original Michelin X) but the new P7 Plus has proven to be an equal or better tire on my older Audi then the Michelin's I had on previously, I would not be afraid to try this particular Pirelli, and only this one, its one of the few tires on Tire Rack that has no real negative comments and I would agree from the experience I have had with this set.
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the new P7 Plus has proven to be an equal or better tire on my older Audi then the Michelin's I had on previously.
So you put Michelin's on after the P7's that you had on previously?
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no, I had always used Michelin and tried the new P7 and am very happy with them, equal or better on this car then the Michelin tires. They are worth a try, quiet, smooth ride, good handling. The last Pirelli tires I had were P6 and I was not happy with those.
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As I said I used to run away from Pirelli tires, have been a Michelin owner for most of my 50 years of driving (from original Michelin X) but the new P7 Plus has proven to be an equal or better tire on my older Audi then the Michelin's I had on previously, I would not be afraid to try this particular Pirelli, and only this one, its one of the few tires on Tire Rack that has no real negative comments and I would agree from the experience I have had with this set.
Good to hear they are working out for you. Maybe the P7 is an exception, but after owning at least 4 different Pirellis including more recently, the P6 (which came on my 09 A4) and P-Zero (which came with my A6 and immediately dumped), I'll never buy another one - I've been snake bit with the brand too many times and there are too many other choices out there. I have the Bridgestone RE970AS all seasons which handle as well as the P-Zero summers, are much quieter, good all year with in the NE winter temps and will last about twice as long on my 19" wheels. And unlike all my past Pirellis, they are actually round, which for me is a prerequisite. (Unfortunately, Bridgestone hasn't make them for the OEM 20" wheel).
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Yea Snagit - I used to feel the same about Pirelli's but have come to realize that thinking was wrong.

FWIW - LOTS of people find the P7 great. It is ranked #1 in its class at Tirerack by owners:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=GTAS
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As far as I know there are two versions - One with the "plus" and one without. As far as I can tell they have different speed ratings (the plus is a "V" and the other is an "H") and different treadwear (700 vs 500). Seems like the plus is better on paper...

Another thing to consider, the original OEM tires (contipros I believe) may have been an "H" as far as I can remember, so not sure if it matters if you put tires with a higher speed rating (V). Hopefully there won't be any adverse impact, I guess as long as the load rating is the same (100). This unfortunately I'm not sure as I'm no tire guru.
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[QUOTE=Maverick61;24568445]Yea Snagit - I used to feel the same about Pirelli's but have come to realize that thinking was wrong.

FWIW - LOTS of people find the P7 great. It is ranked #1 in its class at Tirerack by owners:

Isn't the P7 listed as a "Grand Touring" A/S tire on TireRack? That's three levels below their Ultra High A/S performance category. I guess it depends on what you're looking for but I prefer to stay in the UHP A/S category for realizing the best handling potential of the A6, especially when considering the usual performance handicap of A/S vs. dedicated summer tires.
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Yea Snagit - I used to feel the same about Pirelli's but have come to realize that thinking was wrong.

FWIW - LOTS of people find the P7 great. It is ranked #1 in its class at Tirerack by owners:

Isn't the P7 listed as a "Grand Touring" A/S tire on TireRack? That's three levels below their Ultra High A/S performance category. I guess it depends on what you're looking for but I prefer to stay in the UHP A/S category for realizing the best handling potential of the A6, especially when considering the usual performance handicap of A/S vs. dedicated summer tires.
Yes - they are in different classes. And I did note the P7 was tops in "its class."

The Op said "My driving skilles are Normal, i dont go for raceing or on Track.. Just a normal driver..." - in which case a grand touring tire is more than adequate for him.

Really, UHP is overkill for most folks. The differences between categories are not that great for most people - rather a lot of it is marketing driven. I have had UHP, HP, Grand Touring tires on a number of my vehicles and really detected little difference in day to day handling (and I tend to drive fast and corner hard - so I drive more aggressively than the average driver). Now if you track your car - that is different. Or if you were driving on the Autobahn at very high speeds, that is different. But for normal day to day driving in the US, any of those categories will do. It depends on your priorities.

The UHP will be a softer compound to give extra grip but have less of a treadlife.

The GT will provide less road noise and a more comfortable ride while still providing good handling for most circumstances.

Generally UHP tires may have a higher speed rating than GT tires, but not always. But again, the difference in the real world is minimal.

From Michelin:

Speed Ratings Refer to More Than Just Speed

Speed ratings make a difference not only in regards to speed, but in regards to ride comfort, wear and cornering ability. Typically, the higher the speed rating, the better the grip and stopping power, but the lower the tread life. You can always increase the speed rating of the tires on your vehicle for improved performance, but can never decrease it without reducing the vehicle top speed to that of the lower speed rating selected.

http://www.michelinman.com/tires-101...read-life.page



FWIW - here is how Tirerack describes the categories:

Ultra High Performance All-Season Tires - You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) and are willing to trade some dry and wet traction and handling to get it. Branded with the M+S symbol, these ultra low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain more flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with very good handling and high-speed capabilities.

High Performance All-Season Tires - You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) to drive your sports coupe or sedan in all weather conditions. Branded with the M+S symbol, these low profile tires are designed to provide year-round traction (even in light snow) through tread designs and compounds that remain flexible in the cold weather to help blend all-season traction with good handling.

Grand Touring All-Season Tires - You want all-season versatility (including light snow traction) and responsive handling along with noise and ride comfort. Branded with the M+S symbol and capable of providing year-round traction (even in light snow), these tires are designed to blend a performance tire's appearance with a passenger tire's smooth, quiet ride. Grand Touring All-Season tires are often used as Original Equipment and place more emphasis on handling and high-speed capabilities than Standard Touring tires



Bottom line - you need to look at a tires specs and not fall for the pure marketing of a certain category. For example here is your Bridgestone vs the P7:

Potenza RE970AS Pole Position - 100 Load Index, W speed rated, 400 Tread life, AA Traction, A temperature ratings - You should note that W speed rated tires are typically made for exotic sport cars with max speed capability of 168 mph

Pirelli PirelliCinturato P7 All Season Plus - 100 Load Index, V speed rated, 700 Tread life, A Traction, A temperature ratings - You should note that V speed rated tires are typically made for sport sedans, coupes and sport cars with max speed capability of 149 mph

So performance wise, their really is not that much difference for normal day to day driving. You can see the difference in the specs is minimal - the Bridgestone UHP tire is rated a little higher (AA vs A) on traction. The P7 GT tire is rated higher (700 vs 400) on treadlife wear. Either speed rating of V or W works well for the A6
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That's all fine and well but there will still be no Pirelli in my future. Too much bad juju.
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Thanks for the comments. For me the worst tire I had was a Bridgestone so for each of us our tire experiences are different. Glad there are choices to please everyone!!
I like Dunlop Wintersports, but the Michelin Xi3 are okay jsut not as good on dry pavement. Most of my rentals in Europe generally have the Wintersports on year round as they are required in Germany and Austria when the snow flies. Glad everyone is paying attention to tires, they make all the difference.
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IMO and experience with various Pirellis? Walk don't run to most anything else.
That settles it then!
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no, I had always used Michelin and tried the new P7 and am very happy with them, equal or better on this car then the Michelin tires.
So "then" is the Michelin and "than" is the Pirelli? I'm still not sure which tires you prefer.
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I, too, am a Michelin fan, and would not put Pirellis on any car.

However, if you are looking for an all season HP tire, and you get a moderate to high amount of snow where you live, I would consider the Continental DWS tire. They offer reasonable (good) performance in the dry, but in the snow, they are in a class of their own. I've had them on 2 previous Audi's and was pretty happy with them.
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Purchased 2012 A6 w/Pirelli P-zeros. Were great...at first...but after 5K plus miles they became unbearably loud, embarrassing actually for $55,000 vehicle. Replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS w/o any depreciable change in handling or performance. They are still going strong (and quite) with 14,000 miles on them.
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Purchased 2012 A6 w/Pirelli P-zeros. Were great...at first...but after 5K plus miles they became unbearably loud, embarrassing actually for $55,000 vehicle. Replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS w/o any depreciable change in handling or performance. They are still going strong (and quite) with 14,000 miles on them.
My experience exactly. Except I didn't wait for 5K miles as I dumped the P-Zeros after the first 500 miles on my 2013. My RE970AS now have almost 25K and handle the same as when new and as good as the P-Zeros w/o the noise. Also, there's still about 1/3 of useful tread to go. BTW, at the time, I chose the UHP RE970AS based on published reviews and road tests, not the specs.
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