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Old 01-16-2013, 06:03 AM   #1
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Hi, I'm posting this here because this is a very active forum.

I am trying to learn the ins and outs of the WiFi and internet connectivity in my 2013 A8.

I missed the 3 year deal for the T-mobile (dealer did not tell me and they closed D'ooh).

Perhaps that was a good thing.

Here goes.

I need concrete information. I have the current connection working but it is VERY poor. I could not get any connectivity to the internet with an notebook or iPhone, until today when I turned DATA ROAMING ON.

My set up shows m2m.tmobile.com as the server (or close to that) and the user name and password are blank.

The SIM PIN entry is GREYED out, as I put this pin in before after getting it from the Audiconnect website.

I get 5 bars G3 at my work location (2g at home). Google Earth works fine, as does the audi information news stuff, weather, etc.

I was trying to setup a netbook and a couple iPhones to test iTunes Home Sharing in the car. When I tried to turn on home sharing (iTunes apparently needs an active interent connection to keep it turned on?) I found that I had to turn on Data Roaming to do this, and then I was able to load a website (This one, LOL) but then I lost the connection (still 5 bars 3G). Then I was able to access the Shared Connection via the iPhone and the play list loaded in "Video" and also in "Music" (two separate aps on iPhone now), but the video would not play, while music would.

Now I tested the set up with the netbook in the house where I have an Apple Time Capsule as the WiFi router and was able to stream video to TWO iPhones simultaneously (two different movies) off the netbook. My connectivity speed in the Car's WiFi said connection strength Excellent, and had max bars on the WiFi indicator on both devices.

But it appears that the WiFi connection speed is simply not adequate to stream video.

The other matter is the Internet connectivity. It basically (5 letter word here begins and ends with S).

Does the PAID account with T-mobile offer any better connectivity????? The Rep on the phone said "NO".

Why do I have to have DataRoaming on? Does the paid account establish your Local Connection so DataRoaming can be turned off?

What say you experts????

Thank you,

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My guess would be that you simply have very poor T Mobile reception in your area. The fact that you have to turn on Data Roaming would seem to support this. Btw, you should check with T Mobile: I think a significant extra charge applies when you use roaming.

Your home WiFi is much faster since its backed by your home Internet connection, which is going to be much, much faster than even the best 3G cellular connection. Streaming video in the car is probably rarely going to be a viable option.
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Why would the Internet connection speed effect streaming in the wifi network notebook to iPhone via iTunes? That does not use the Internet connection accept to let you turn on Home Share.

Need input from Apple knowledgeable folks.

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I am an Apple knowledgeable person. Worked there for years. Wrote "MacPaint 2.0" (man, that was a long time ago...) That said, I've never used iTunes Home Sharing, but from your description (and checking with Apple) it's obviously using the Internet connection for something.

Since I don't (yet) have an Audi I can't try various things with my devices, but from your experience I'd guess the problem is due to the very slow Internet connection you have. It seems as though Home Sharing uses the Internet connection to validate DRM on content, so if these videos you're trying to stream are from the iTunes Store, perhaps a slow Internet connection is indeed the problem.

Here's what I'd do to test this theory: import a non-protected video into your iTunes library. You can rip a DVD (Handbrake!) or a video from the iPhone.

Now try to stream that video and see if the performance is any better. If it is, then the slow Internet connection is to blame for the poor performance of DRM video; if not, then it's something else.
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Hi, I'm posting this here because this is a very active forum.

I am trying to learn the ins and outs of the WiFi and internet connectivity in my 2013 A8.

I missed the 3 year deal for the T-mobile (dealer did not tell me and they closed D'ooh).

Perhaps that was a good thing.

Here goes.

I need concrete information. I have the current connection working but it is VERY poor. I could not get any connectivity to the internet with an notebook or iPhone, until today when I turned DATA ROAMING ON.

My set up shows m2m.tmobile.com as the server (or close to that) and the user name and password are blank.

The SIM PIN entry is GREYED out, as I put this pin in before after getting it from the Audiconnect website.

I get 5 bars G3 at my work location (2g at home). Google Earth works fine, as does the audi information news stuff, weather, etc.

I was trying to setup a netbook and a couple iPhones to test iTunes Home Sharing in the car. When I tried to turn on home sharing (iTunes apparently needs an active interent connection to keep it turned on?) I found that I had to turn on Data Roaming to do this, and then I was able to load a website (This one, LOL) but then I lost the connection (still 5 bars 3G). Then I was able to access the Shared Connection via the iPhone and the play list loaded in "Video" and also in "Music" (two separate aps on iPhone now), but the video would not play, while music would.

Now I tested the set up with the netbook in the house where I have an Apple Time Capsule as the WiFi router and was able to stream video to TWO iPhones simultaneously (two different movies) off the netbook. My connectivity speed in the Car's WiFi said connection strength Excellent, and had max bars on the WiFi indicator on both devices.

But it appears that the WiFi connection speed is simply not adequate to stream video.


The other matter is the Internet connectivity. It basically (5 letter word here begins and ends with S).

Does the PAID account with T-mobile offer any better connectivity????? The Rep on the phone said "NO".

Why do I have to have DataRoaming on? Does the paid account establish your Local Connection so DataRoaming can be turned off?

What say you experts????

Thank you,

Mike
Having max wifi connectivity does nothing for your data connection; this simply means that the wifi antenna within your portable device is picking up a strong signal from your wifi router - in this case, your Audi. For example, I have wifi tethering with my Galaxy Note 2, so I connect my laptop and tether through my cellphone. The wifi signal is at full strength because both devices are within 1 feet of each other. However, I'm in a deadspot in my house and I have 1/2 bar of data on my phone. Therefore, the internet speed on my laptop will be painfully slow, despite the five bars of wifi coverage.
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Mike,

I assumed you checked the T-Mobile coverage map. Hope this helps.

http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/4g-coverage-map
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I like how their map from a distance shows a lot of green, appearing that their coverage is great, but zooming in my area shows barely 2g availability. T-Mobile is terrible in my area and most places I have travelled.
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I am an Apple knowledgeable person. Worked there for years. Wrote "MacPaint 2.0" (man, that was a long time ago...) That said, I've never used iTunes Home Sharing, but from your description (and checking with Apple) it's obviously using the Internet connection for something.

Here's what I'd do to test this theory: import a non-protected video into your iTunes library. You can rip a DVD (Handbrake!) or a video from the iPhone.

Now try to stream that video and see if the performance is any better. If it is, then the slow Internet connection is to blame for the poor performance of DRM video; if not, then it's something else.
Thank you. I was planning on that this weekend. I have some home movies I can use.

I'll post back.

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I just checked the T-mobile map and it shows " Excellent for 3g/4g at my location.

So I don't understand the roaming issue. It should have worked fine at that site without roaming.

I think it was configured incorrectly by the dealer. The sales person was a newbie to this technology.

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I fired up Handbrake today. Its currently scanning the first video I chose to 'rip'. It's been about 20 minutes so far and it's doing the first scan....

Really, I stopped bothering with Handbrake and MacTheRipper because the whole process of ripping a dvd to the iPhone is so darn slow!

I'll see if the video will stream in the car....

This still remains a question..

Once I get a video streaming that is NOT A DOWNLOADED copy via iTunes and has not copy right protection, will iTunes still need to be in contact with the iTunes server to allow the Home Sharing to work while we drive in and out of Cell Network connectivity?

I have been reaching NonApple streaming apps which work with wifi hard drives and idevices....there are many..

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Handbrake was a bust.

Trying EasiestSoft DVD Ripper now...trial version
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I used iTunes Home Sharing before on a network that had no Internet connectivity (Mac Mini, two iPad, CradlePoint WiFi router, no modem) and it was working fine with handbraked DVDs. I did never try to have the Mac Mini/iPad join the Audi WiFi though.
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Um....it mixed the various versions by language LMAO...


Learning Curve...

Keeps jumping between languages !

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I just got a 2013 Q7, here is what I know.
I have the T-Mobile service and it is pretty slow, it is 3G only not 4G. I'm in the Dallas area so coverage is good where I live but boot up times are slow. I had my iPhone 5 connected fine to the cars WiFi hotspot, but using the phone in the car for Google searches ext is much slower then just using the ATT LTE. I was able to do a FaceTime Video call over the cars WiFi and it was pretty good.
The T-Mobile service is also Unlimited Data, so you know its going to be slow, I got the 50% off for 3 years, like $300 bucks so why not.
Now for iTunes Home Sharing, I'm not sure I follow you but I know this.
You cannot stream iTunes outside of your Home WiFi, that's why its called Home Sharing.
So if you rip a DVD with Handbrake, load it into iTunes, jump in your Audi and fire up your iPhone it won't work. You need something like AirVideo or Plex to get this out over the internet, or you could sit in your car in the garage and watch it.
Hope that helps ya.
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Handbrake was a bust.

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Really? I've used Handbrake for years and found it to be fast and reliable.

If you'd like help debugging the process, let me know. If my 78 year old father can do it, you can too.

(Granted, he's a radiologist, and I don't know what your specialty is...)
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LMAO!

I have a iMac 27 with SSD and 2 TB Hard drive, 8 gigs ram, i7 Quad Core at 3.4 gig, a thunderbolt connected 6 tb raid, and I have used Handbrake for about 6 years (on my windows machine first). I know how to use it but its so painfully slow........

When I'm 78, perhaps I'll be more patient LOL....I'm General and Trauma Surgeon, also do Vascular and Thoracic surgery, have a BS in BioMedical Engineering with minor in Electrical and Computer Engineering, Summa *** Laude Boston University. So I'm not technically challenged.

I was going to get a Mac Pro tower at the time I bought this iMac but the price is quite high LOL....my understanding is that few programs can use the multicores to the max advantage, so I am not sure that Handbrake would be any faster.

I first downloaded a missing 64 bit part to handbrake when I first opened the program yesterday to try ripping. I had never used the Handbrake to rip first, I thought you had to first use MacTheRipper. But the more I read I realize that Handbrake can "do it all".

I'll fire it up again now and let it run....


As far as in car iTunes Home Sharing, IT DOES WORK in the car while on the T-mobile internet connection, I was able to stream MUSIC (now that's CD's I ripped, not iTunes purchased music) but I have not yet tried the non-iTunes videos in the car ( have some home videos I can use, Apple did not make those LOL).

I'll let you know.

As far as internet connectivity, my son has an iPhone 3s which uses 3g, and there is simply no comparison in speed between the car's connection and his iPhone. My 4s uses the '4g' what ever that really is LOL, and it fast. I can use skype on the cellular network and that works pretty good with the iPhone's own connection, but facetime via the wifi (which fools the iphone LOL) is not usable.

I think there is some configuration problem with my cars cell connection but I cannot confirm and am resistant to purchase the regular pay as you go plan as opposed to using up the remainder of the 6 month free plan.

I have little blocks of time when I can work on it as you could image. Every third night of call is busy.....

Mike

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I'll post the report I get from Handbrake, perhaps you can help me out! Or your Granddad could LOL...

Still want a mac tower Would have gotten one if they added Thunderbolt! Love the speed of the Lacie 6 TB raid configured as 3 tb mirror.....nice backup!
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ibdvdnav: DVD disk reports itself with Region mask 0x00fe0000. Regions: 1
libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!
libdvdnav: Suspected RCE Region Protection!!!


still 'scanning'
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ok, handbrake just crashed.

Which File Do you pick on the DVD???


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I got handbrake working again.

It simply hangs on the dvd Star Wars Episode IV....I'll have to try that one again, it's release date says 2004, as it's the redone version).

I tried Matix 2001 release....which did the same slow scan, but then I finally saw a progress bar within the Handbrake main window (after watching the Activity Window go on and on).

I found out I needed to have VLC installed as well, (had an older version). Apparently you need that ap installed, not necessarily running, very strange requirement on a MAC. Does Handbrake look for it? I could see on a windows machine there being a need for some extra DLL that Handbrake would then have access to but on a mac the programs are not that invasive.

It's currently encoding Matrix.
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