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Old 07-20-2014, 09:06 AM   #1
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Hi again Audiworld,

My cam chain tensioners are shot on my 03 a6 4.2, and I am not interested in spending any more Legal Tender on this particular engine. So, in lieu of spending any more on the engine after all I've done for its ungreatful *** , I've decided I want another engine. I realize I could spend the fiat money in better ways, but I don't care... I like my car and already crossed the line long ago by putting as much into it as I have so spending more is a dead issue.

My inquiry is this:
If YOU (audipro), were ME (audiamateur), and YOU had the intent of doing an Engine swap, would you-

a) Buy a low milage S8, S6 or RS6 engine w/ necessary components/ ECU, etc.
b) Buy a whole S8, S6 or RS6 and part out remains to recover any expenses
c) Another engine/ option I could be overlooking out of ignorance

My mechanic thinks I'm nuts, so seeking his input has proven awkward/ unproductive. I'd like to figure out what I am going to do and just bring him the necessary parts with some stacks like "just do it." I know it's Law of the Jungle-esque around here, but any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time.

Post Scriptum- Does buying a 2.7t for the transmission and parting it out seem wiser than buying just the transmission?
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My mechanic thinks I'm nuts,
I'm with him.

Sorry, I know that's not what you're looking for, but I doubt very much that the outcome is going to be what you hope.

Fix what you have.
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I'm with him.

Sorry, I know that's not what you're looking for, but I doubt very much that the outcome is going to be what you hope.

Fix what you have.
Word, you're entitled to your subjective opinion in the republic. But, why invest 4K into an engine pushing 300 hp when I can get the same engine for less or a parts car/ engine for a relative price that may be more desirable to put $ into?
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Hey everyone!! I own an 1987 audi 5000 cs turbo. As soon as the engine gets hot and I turn the car off it will not start again... As soon as the engine has been given time to cool down it starts no problem.. Any suggestions?? Thanks!
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Hey everyone!! I own an 1987 audi 5000 cs turbo. As soon as the engine gets hot and I turn the car off it will not start again... As soon as the engine has been given time to cool down it starts no problem.. Any suggestions?? Thanks!
Wrong forum... try the 5000/200/V8 forum...

That said, your system fuel pressure is leaking down and the fuel is boiling in the fuel lines, causing a vapor lock. After it cools down, the fuel is back to a liquid and can get through the injectors.
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Wrong forum... try the 5000/200/V8 forum...

That said, your system fuel pressure is leaking down and the fuel is boiling in the fuel lines, causing a vapor lock. After it cools down, the fuel is back to a liquid and can get through the injectors.
Ok thanks!!! We will look into it
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Classic vapor lock. Find the leaking injector or fuel pump check valve and repair accordingly.
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If that's all that is wrong on your 4.2, replace the tensioners. Even more likely, the plastic shoes are all that's worn on those tensioners. Remove them, snap on new shoes, compress and reinstall the tensioners.
Worst case you have stretched timing chains…compare 10 links on new chain to 10 links on yours and if there's .15 link difference (1.5%) replace the chain…chances are the sprockets are ok unless you can SEE big dishes in the sprocket at the base of the tooth.
Since .15 link is difficult to measure you have to know the pitch or measure one on a new chain. For example, a chain with ľ" links should be replaced when 10 links are longer than .1125" relative to a new chain. Use 1.5% on chains with fixed center to center sprockets.
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Because you won't be able to get the same engine for less or a parts car/engine for a relative price that may be more desirable to put $ into. Not to mention pulling the engine is more likely to cause other problems with deteriorated wiring, connectors, etc., etc.
If you like the car, repair whatchoo got.
It shouldn't be $4K either…tensioners are available online for much less than stealer price, the plastic shoes are about $22 a pair (you need 4 on a V8), and gaskets, etc. are another couple hundred (spendy Audi stuff).
An independent mechanic should be able to do it for around $2K. A few hundred more if the chains have to be replaced.
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i wouldnt replace the engine in an 11 year old car anyway . if constantly sinking money into it is your issue , sell your Audi . This will be a worsening problem as you hit 12-15 years unless you can do a lot yourself.

id fix it myself till i got tired , then just get rid of it .
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Because you won't be able to get the same engine for less or a parts car/engine for a relative price that may be more desirable to put $ into. Not to mention pulling the engine is more likely to cause other problems with deteriorated wiring, connectors, etc., etc.
If you like the car, repair whatchoo got.
It shouldn't be $4K either…tensioners are available online for much less than stealer price, the plastic shoes are about $22 a pair (you need 4 on a V8), and gaskets, etc. are another couple hundred (spendy Audi stuff).
An independent mechanic should be able to do it for around $2K. A few hundred more if the chains have to be replaced.
It's pretty easy to get my particular car w/ a shot transmission, wrecked and etcetera for even less than the alleged cost of replacing my tensioners (3K). Plus I already put 4K in the engine alone in the past 3 months. But, I am not interested in my engine any more & I'm about 90% sure I'm going to put a built RS6 engine in. Call me "non compose mentis," yo. Thanks for the input though John B Sloop
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i wouldnt replace the engine in an 11 year old car anyway . if constantly sinking money into it is your issue , sell your Audi . This will be a worsening problem as you hit 12-15 years unless you can do a lot yourself.

id fix it myself till i got tired , then just get rid of it .
Why not? I have no problem putting 'soft money' into the Audi & I wouldn't consider selling it. Replacing the engine would worsen the problem? I'm infamous for subbing it out, so I won't do anything personally. Own Nothing, Control Everything. Would/ can you kill an Audi?
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Less grief to sell your audi and buy an RS6.
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Less grief to sell your audi and buy an RS6.
Felt. A RS6 is around 20K and has more than likely original everything/ minimal services done. My car has brand new everything w/ 10K in service done to it in totality. I couldn't sell my car for more than 10K. The math doesn't make sense for me, cheque it-

4.2 was= 10K
Things done= 10K
Me= 20K all in

Sold= 10K (Bollocks)
RS6= 20K
Things= 10K
Math= 40K total

Alternate Math
4.2= 10K
Things= 10K
Built RS6 Engine/ isht Installed w/ 6MT= 10K
Math= 30K Spent total

I like the 30K option better, it'll afford me some floor mats and a air freshener after all is said/ done.
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Why would u junk an engine for chain tensioners. Take it to a shop that not a total rip off. Tensioners can be had for 2-300 bucks each, and its like 3 hours a side to do them. Not 3k. your being ripped off.
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Why would u junk an engine for chain tensioners. Take it to a shop that not a total rip off. Tensioners can be had for 2-300 bucks each, and its like 3 hours a side to do them. Not 3k. your being ripped off.
I was told 3K both sides and all other pricing provided/ accepted via this mechanic has been within reason comparatively speaking. But, considering I'm not the pro, I will take your advise and see where it lands me by taking it elsewhere. Regardless, I still dislike the Engine... So I am still considering a swap even if I'm able to not get ripped off on correcting this engine. Thanks for the info Prospeeder, I like it.
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Book time is actually 9.2 hours to do both which is generous lol. if its 90$ an hour, thats 828$ labor. 600$ for tensioners, about 60-80 bucks in gaskets....wheres 3000 dollars in that I have no idea.


Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.


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Not a good idea to supply parts….if they go bad you're out of luck…and are you good enough to tell whether the part is bad or the install was bad/sloppy.

If you're going to have someone else do it, they supply the parts and the warranty.
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Knock yourself out if you can get an RS6 engine installed with a 6MT for 10K.
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Book time is actually 9.2 hours to do both which is generous lol. if its 90$ an hour, thats 828$ labor. 600$ for tensioners, about 60-80 bucks in gaskets....wheres 3000 dollars in that I have no idea.


Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.


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It's $100 an hour and you're correct in assuming he is trying to get me at $850 per tensioner, so theres $2600. The other few hundred? I do not know. But yeah, when I heard 3K, it made made think. Thanks for the due diligence in your post, It's much appreciated.
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