Diminishing (Engine) Returns
07-23-2014, 07:02 AM
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Because you won't be able to get the same engine for less or a parts car/engine for a relative price that may be more desirable to put $ into. Not to mention pulling the engine is more likely to cause other problems with deteriorated wiring, connectors, etc., etc.
If you like the car, repair whatchoo got.
It shouldn't be $4K either…tensioners are available online for much less than stealer price, the plastic shoes are about $22 a pair (you need 4 on a V8), and gaskets, etc. are another couple hundred (spendy Audi stuff).
An independent mechanic should be able to do it for around $2K. A few hundred more if the chains have to be replaced.
If you like the car, repair whatchoo got.
It shouldn't be $4K either…tensioners are available online for much less than stealer price, the plastic shoes are about $22 a pair (you need 4 on a V8), and gaskets, etc. are another couple hundred (spendy Audi stuff).
An independent mechanic should be able to do it for around $2K. A few hundred more if the chains have to be replaced.
07-23-2014, 07:10 AM
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i wouldnt replace the engine in an 11 year old car anyway . if constantly sinking money into it is your issue , sell your Audi . This will be a worsening problem as you hit 12-15 years unless you can do a lot yourself.
id fix it myself till i got tired , then just get rid of it .
id fix it myself till i got tired , then just get rid of it .
07-23-2014, 07:28 AM
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Less grief to sell your audi and buy an RS6.
07-23-2014, 08:58 AM
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Felt. A RS6 is around 20K and has more than likely original everything/ minimal services done. My car has brand new everything w/ 10K in service done to it in totality. I couldn't sell my car for more than 10K. The math doesn't make sense for me, cheque it-
4.2 was= 10K
Things done= 10K
Me= 20K all in
Sold= 10K (Bollocks)
RS6= 20K
Things= 10K
Math= 40K total
Alternate Math
4.2= 10K
Things= 10K
Built RS6 Engine/ isht Installed w/ 6MT= 10K
Math= 30K Spent total
I like the 30K option better, it'll afford me some floor mats and a air freshener after all is said/ done.
4.2 was= 10K
Things done= 10K
Me= 20K all in
Sold= 10K (Bollocks)
RS6= 20K
Things= 10K
Math= 40K total
Alternate Math
4.2= 10K
Things= 10K
Built RS6 Engine/ isht Installed w/ 6MT= 10K
Math= 30K Spent total
I like the 30K option better, it'll afford me some floor mats and a air freshener after all is said/ done.
07-23-2014, 12:34 PM
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Why would u junk an engine for chain tensioners. Take it to a shop that not a total rip off. Tensioners can be had for 2-300 bucks each, and its like 3 hours a side to do them. Not 3k. your being ripped off.
07-23-2014, 04:09 PM
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I was told 3K both sides and all other pricing provided/ accepted via this mechanic has been within reason comparatively speaking. But, considering I'm not the pro, I will take your advise and see where it lands me by taking it elsewhere. Regardless, I still dislike the Engine... So I am still considering a swap even if I'm able to not get ripped off on correcting this engine. Thanks for the info Prospeeder, I like it.
07-23-2014, 04:51 PM
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Book time is actually 9.2 hours to do both which is generous lol. if its 90$ an hour, thats 828$ labor. 600$ for tensioners, about 60-80 bucks in gaskets....wheres 3000 dollars in that I have no idea.
Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Audi-V8-4-2-Engine-Timing-Chain-Tensioner-077109087C-077109087P-Left-Side/231223284059?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23928%26meid%3D8529165386757083107%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D10200%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D300865084800
Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-Audi-V8-4-2-Engine-Timing-Chain-Tensioner-077109087C-077109087P-Left-Side/231223284059?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23928%26meid%3D8529165386757083107%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D10200%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D300865084800
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07-23-2014, 05:46 PM
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Not a good idea to supply parts….if they go bad you're out of luck…and are you good enough to tell whether the part is bad or the install was bad/sloppy.
If you're going to have someone else do it, they supply the parts and the warranty.
If you're going to have someone else do it, they supply the parts and the warranty.
07-23-2014, 07:12 PM
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Knock yourself out if you can get an RS6 engine installed with a 6MT for 10K.
(Grabs bowl of popcorn and settles back to watch).
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07-24-2014, 06:58 AM
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Book time is actually 9.2 hours to do both which is generous lol. if its 90$ an hour, thats 828$ labor. 600$ for tensioners, about 60-80 bucks in gaskets....wheres 3000 dollars in that I have no idea.
Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.
For Audi V8 4 2 Engine Timing Chain Tensioner 077109087C 077109087P Left Side | eBay
Heres just one. Hmmm 150$....i say 300$ because we shops do need to mark things up for profit. But its NOT ok for a shop to buy cheap stuff and charge dealer list which is probably why its so much, as list is like 850 a tensioner. But there are aftermarket ones out there for 150-300 or so. I put a 150$ tensioner on my 1.8T Passat and so far its been working fine. Supply your own parts for much less, and just pay them labor.
For Audi V8 4 2 Engine Timing Chain Tensioner 077109087C 077109087P Left Side | eBay