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Old 07-19-2014, 02:31 PM   #1
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hi, i have a 2000 audi a6 with the 2.7t. yesterday, it had a steady misfire when i got in it to drive it, but it went away after a few miles of driving. this morning i got in it to go, and same misfire. this time it wont go away and is a very steady misfire. also, after driving it about ten miles, i got home, shut off the car, and noticed a light trail of smoke coming from the drivers side wheel well. i noted that it was from the drivers side only. the power steering has been a little bit stiffer than normal in the past 2 days, but i dont see that being related to the misfire. i put the scanner on it and this is what i came up with.

16518 o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1 no activity

17861 exhaust gas temperature sensor1 (g235) open short to plus p1453

16684 random/multiple cylinder misfire detected p0300

16689 cylinder 5 misfire detected p0305

17523 o2 sensor heating bank 1 sensor 1 short to ground p1115

16686 cylinder 2 misfire detected p0302

when i look at diagnostics i see that cylinder 5 is misfiring steadily/constantly, and the others for the most part do not misfire. i have tried moving plugs/coilpacks from cylinder 5 to 6, and misfire stays at cylinder 5.
help please!
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Old 07-19-2014, 02:47 PM   #2
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Pre-cat O2 sensors can and will cause your engine to misfire. I searched high and low for what was causing mine at the time and finally narrowed it down to the pre-cat driver side O2 after many people posted that an O2 would not cause those symptoms. Are you getting a flashing check engine light while driving? If so, don't. I'd probably start there since you are dealing with a random misfire on top of cylinder 5, but others with more experience may have greater insight based on the EGT code you're getting.
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hi, i have a 2000 audi a6 with the 2.7t. yesterday, it had a steady misfire when i got in it to drive it, but it went away after a few miles of driving. this morning i got in it to go, and same misfire. this time it wont go away and is a very steady misfire. also, after driving it about ten miles, i got home, shut off the car, and noticed a light trail of smoke coming from the drivers side wheel well. i noted that it was from the drivers side only. the power steering has been a little bit stiffer than normal in the past 2 days, but i dont see that being related to the misfire. i put the scanner on it and this is what i came up with.

16518 o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1 no activity

17861 exhaust gas temperature sensor1 (g235) open short to plus p1453

16684 random/multiple cylinder misfire detected p0300

16689 cylinder 5 misfire detected p0305

17523 o2 sensor heating bank 1 sensor 1 short to ground p1115

16686 cylinder 2 misfire detected p0302

when i look at diagnostics i see that cylinder 5 is misfiring steadily/constantly, and the others for the most part do not misfire. i have tried moving plugs/coilpacks from cylinder 5 to 6, and misfire stays at cylinder 5.
help please!
Pull the spark plug on #5 and tell us what it looks like. How long since you changed plugs? Look of vacuum leaks.
My S6 had a misfire…the technician apparently didn't tighten the plug enough and it came loose…right around 30K miles ago the car had a low-mileage used engine put in it and new TB service, rest of rubber stuff, new plugs, etc. But the loose plug caused the misfire..I was just lucky the combustion didn't eat a hole in the aluminum head along the plug threads!

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Old 07-22-2014, 09:11 AM   #4
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it IS a flashing CEL light.
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ok so i pulled the plugs on cylinder 5 and 6. there was a little amount of oil on mainly the 5th cylinder one. cleaned up and didnt help...
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Swap coils? If not, look at the o2 sensor. Either pre-cat o2 that is faulty can readily cause similar symptoms. There are plenty diys on here about how to swap them out.
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And…how long have the plugs been in there?
Over 30K miles, change them.
There should be NO oil on the plugs…ok on the threads when you pull them out but not on the hot end. These things run dry as a bone.
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i have switched coilpacks between the 5th and 6th cylinder with no change...still a steady cylinder 5 misfire. when i shined a light in and looked at the cylinders the 6th is dry, where inside the 5th is wet looking...i took brake cleaner and cleaned off both the plugs, and blew them dry with air, still the steady knock on #5. the plugs im sure could be changed but i dont think they are my main problem as of now because of switching plugs between cylinders as well, with the misfire staying at the 5th cylinder. so should i go after 02 sensors now?
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i also put the air nozzle down in cylinder 5 and shot some air in there to dry it out, a white cloud of (smoke) (dust)? came out, with a burnt smell. dont know if that is relavant.
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It's not.
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OK, i will go after the o2 and see what i come up with after that. bank 1 sensor 1...is that on drivers side?
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passenger side for US.
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CAME FROM CANADA...HAS METRIC CLUSTER INSIDE AND EVERYTHING....STILL PASSENGER SIDE? AND ITS PRE-CAT RIGHT?

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Yes, not that difficult to replace. Just takes a little patience and disassembly. There are several write ups on oxygen sensor replacement just do a search you'll find lots to pick from.
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I'd like to help. But this thread is unintelligible.
Please use quote and reply so that those of us in threaded mode have half a prayer of figuring out what is going on. Thanks.
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I'd like to help. But this thread is unintelligible.
Please use quote and reply so that those of us in threaded mode have half a prayer of figuring out what is going on. Thanks.
sorry i wasnt in threaded mode...was looking at it in linear
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Swap coils? If not, look at the o2 sensor. Either pre-cat o2 that is faulty can readily cause similar symptoms. There are plenty diys on here about how to swap them out.
OK so i changed o2 sensor, got rid of the o2 code, but not the miss....not cool!
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OK so i changed o2 sensor, got rid of the o2 code, but not the miss....not cool!
Bummer, I'd start checking for vacuum leaks then. Do you have vagcom? Are you certain that cylinder 5 is the consistent culprit with an additional random misfire on other cylinders? I am currently hunting a vacuum leak down from somewhere in the engine bay. Slight squeaking sound under full throttle/boost and the only code I have is random misfire. Sorry that the o2 fix didn't solve the issue. Keep looking!
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I am currently hunting a vacuum leak down from somewhere in the engine bay. Slight squeaking sound under full throttle/boost and the only code I have is random misfire.
Your 'squeaking' sound caught my attention. Currently chasing the cause on my 2002 A6 2.7T.

I called it a 'mooing' sound. Occurs when boost is building (I have larger turbos, etc.).

I got rid of a similar sound on B6 A4 1.8T with APR R1 (bladder type) DV by changing the orientation of the DV. After that success, I did the same on the 2.7T (Forge=piston DV), but no change.

Today, I have a 'smoker' here to see if I am dealing with a boost or vac leak.

OP: Misfires: if swapping plugs and coils does not move the misfires: try swapping injectors.
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Unless Canada has a left-side driving enclave for Brit expats, Canadian-spec cars are Left hand drive, same as US cars.
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