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Old 01-15-2015, 06:51 PM
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I changed tensioner passenger side only, rattling noise, Audi a6 2008 with 112k miles on it. Same as my previous colleague, I had m10 hex screws instead of torx at the cover. Drive 4k already, no issues with it, besides P0452 check engine code which I'm trying to research ( at different post). Shop estimated replacing all tensioners for over $8k. have done it my self with parts and tools for~$300. Happy, happy, joy, joy! Big thx for posting!
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I didn't had any knowledge working with a car engine!
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Default Access to driver's side

I started doing this service myself while my Avant is laid up for other reasons, and while the passenger side was relatively straight-forward, the driver's side timing cover has a large, stiff bundle of wiring hanging out just above it that I can't seem to get out of the way well enough to really get in there to remove the timing cover bolts. Even if I could work around it well enough to get the bolts out, I have concerns over being able to get the timing cover back in place without smearing the fresh RTV all over everything in between. So my question to others who have done this process is, did you just work around that bundle or did you move that out of the way somehow? I haven't been able to track down all of the end points of the bundle to see about disconnecting them, some are way deep in there.
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Undo all the connections behind the motor for that wiring bundle and move the entire wire harness out of the way once freed. It's a PITA but it makes things very easy to access.
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Originally Posted by mkongsiri
Okay, here it is. After getting the run around from the "Audi Specialists" in my area, I decided to just do it myself. I've tried my best to outline the entire procedure to change the timing chain tensioners on the Audi 3.2 Liter engine. If you hear a loud clicking noise from the rear upper area of the engine, this is apparently a common problem and the upper tensioners are most likely the culprit. There is another lower hydraulic tensioner, if that has failed then you're out of luck and have to pull the engine. This procedure is not hard, just be careful, be patient, and take your time. Most importantly, you do NOT have to pull the engine out to do it. Someone with average mechanical skill should be able to knock this out in a couple hours. Good luck!

Audi 3.2 FSI Upper Timing Chain Tensioner Replacement


Parts

Warning - Please fight the urge to pull the retaining pins when you get the part. The seals inside can be damaged trying to recompress them and they must be compressed to install. The rear photo shows the dark backing plate, they're held only loosely with metal tabs. Be carefull when installing that they do not become misaligned.

1. Timing chain tensioner, left upper - Part Number: 18266-01183647 (Partsgeek.com) $219.17

2. Timing chain tensioner, right upper - Part Number: 18264-01183648 (Partsgeek.com) $191.99

3. RTV Silicone

Tools Needed

1. T40058 – Crankshaft Turning Socket - ebay $19

2. T40070 – Camshaft Locking Tools - ebay - Audi timing tool set $158 (el paso tools store - made by baumtools)

3. T10035 – Multi-point Socket (12 Point 14mm Socket) - Included in timing toolset

4. T-30 Torx Bit (6mm)
5. 3/8 Stubby Swivel Ratchet - Harbor Freight $9.99 - Bottom torx bolts on cam covers are a bitch and tough to get to, this tool and a 1" extension are life savers! DO NOT STRIP THOSE TORX BOLTS!

6. ½ Extendable Ratchet - Harbor Freight $16
7. Torque wrench
8. Metric Sockets
9. Ratchet extensions

Installation Procedure


1. Remove air filter plenum and upper filter housing ( You can leave back part mounted to inner fender)
2. Remove radiator coolant reservoir
3. Disconnect spark plug harness on both sides
4. Mark and remove any sensors that may restrain the spark plug harness so it can be moved clear of the valve covers
5. Carefully pop out all 6 individual ignition coils from the spark plugs
6. Use T-30 torx bit to undo all valve cover bolts for each side
7. Remove right and left valve covers
8. Use T-30 torx bit and stubby ratchet to undo all rear timing chain cover bolts on each side (Be careful, they can be tough DO NOT STRIP!)

9. Use T40058 Crankshaft tool on ½ Drive extended ratchet to manually turn engine clockwise until the threaded holes on the end of the camshafts (firewall side) face upward on each cylinder bank.



10. Bolt on T40070 locking tools on each cylinder bank. Make sure the holes are aligned upright and the bolts screw in smoothly. If needed rock crankshaft with back and forth till it’s perfectly aligned. You don’t want to try bolting it on unaligned or you can break bolt on the camshaft. Then you have to MIG weld a nut on it to extract (Don’t ask how I know this)


11. With both camshafts locked, you can now remove the cam adjusters bolted to the end of the camshafts.
12. Use T10035 Socket and loosen the 12-point bolts on each of the camshafts on the right cylinder bank.


13. Carefully wiggle the cam adjusters off the end of each camshaft. Start with the intake and when it’s off just rest the chain on the cylinder head casting directly behind the cam adjuster. Do the same for the exhaust camshaft. Mark each cam adjuster as intake or exhaust (the exhaust cam adjuster has a metal spring/clip on it, the intake doesn’t) Don’t worry if the chain moves, the engine is locked in place. Just Don't touch the crankshaft while the engine is locked.
14. Take the new right tensioner out of the package and note the location of the mounting holes, you will be undoing these on the old tensioner in the engine.

15. Stuff some shop rags or paper towels down the galley were the timing chain comes up from, this is so you don’t accidentally drop any of the tensioner mounting bolts down into the rear of the engine. That would be a world of hurt.
16. Undo all the mounting bolts (T-30 torx) and carefully wiggle the tensioner up and out of the rear of the engine. The hydraulic piston in the tensioner may drop out just be careful when removing. My old one was completely compressed and stuck down.
17. Carefully place new tensioner into position, you may have to move the chain around to get it into place. BE CAREFULL THE BACKING PLATE ON THE NEW TENSIONER STAYS ON AND DOESN’T SHIFT. DO NOT REMOVE THE RETAINING PIN (T40071)ON THE NEW TENSIONER YET!
18. Reinstall all of the chain tensioner mounting bolts. I started with the top/easiest one then wiggled it around till I could get a second bolt in making sure it’s aligned. Then I installed and tightened the remaining bolts.
19. Reinstall the cam adjusters, start with the exhaust, pull the timing chain out slightly and place it around the cam adjuster. Then gently wiggle adjuster back onto the camshaft. Do the same for the intake cam adjuster. You may have to play with it a little, be patient and careful and make sure both adjusters are on straight. UPDATE - I've been asked several times about do the cam adjusters need to be aligned in a specific position when reinstalling. They are not notched or indexed in any way. The factory manual makes no mention of installing them in any spefici aligned position so it appears it doesn't matter. Just make sure they're on!
20. Now, you may now pull out the tensioner retaining pin. The piston should pop out and tension the chain.
21. If the retaining clip pops out before you get the cam adjusters back on, you must remove the tensioner from the engine and manually squeeze the guide rail till it’s completely compressed. Then, while holding it, you can put the retaining pin back on it. There is a ratchet mechanism inside the tensioner piston that will not release until it’s compressed fully. Be careful, you can damage the seals inside if you try forcing it. I think this is the reason these tensioners fail again prematurely, so be careful!

22. Reinstall the camshaft adjuster retaining bolts. First torque them to 30 lb/ft, then60 lb/ft, then tighten them another ¼ turn.
23. Repeat this procedure for the left cylinder bank
24. Clean old sealant from rear camshaft covers and apply new RTV silicone
25. Reinstall the rear camshaft covers
26. Reinstall valve covers
27. Reinstall coils, wiring harness, etc.
28. Reinstall intake and coolant reservoir
29. Make sure crankshaft turning tool has been removed
30. Double check everything is back in place and fire up the engine!

My engine fired right up, problem resolved, and I saved thousands. Every European specialist shop I called in Tampa Bay either didn't have the timing tools or refused to do the tensioners without pulling the engine. I've seen timing chains last 300k+ miles on many vehicles, they are designed to last the life of the vehicle. If your shop tells you you MUST pull the engine because of chain stretch or broken guides, ask them whats more likely to fail, a hardened alloy chain or a plastic hydraulic piston seal. That's the purpose of tensioners, to compensate for chain stretch (to a point of course). Yeah, okay, sure it can't be done.
Hi i have just bought an A6 3.2 didnt notice the engine light on ! dont know yet what the codes say and no noise from the engine yet, but do you think if i get timing codes i should do the tensioners ? engine has done 146000 klm cheers D
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Originally Posted by davidk61
Hi i have just bought an A6 3.2 didnt notice the engine light on ! dont know yet what the codes say and no noise from the engine yet, but do you think if i get timing codes i should do the tensioners ? engine has done 146000 klm cheers D
First thing you should do now is look what values you have in measuring block 93 to start with (check with VCDS) report here after =)
cheers!/H
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Hi

I have started to replace mine, I have got the tensioner replaced but my timing is not correct.

I have only replaced one side, When i was set the cams so that the locking tool bolt holes faced up by manually cracking the engine, the right bank cams as you look at the engine only rotated to that point but did not rotate any further due to no lack of tension on the cam, because the the piston the the tensioner had failed but the engine continued to rotate. so i keep going until i had i set the cam's and locked with the bolt holes facing up cylinder #2 was at the top and i put the crack shaft locking tool in,all looked good. (there way no resistance when i cracked the engine)

I have just taken the crack locking tool out and i don't think i had located it all the way home, because when i removed the cam locking tool at tried to rotate the engine, i have got alot of resistance.



I guess that i now need to loosing all the bearing caps so i can rotate the engine back to TDC, Now can i just loosen the right side as that was the one that was slipping or do i need to do both?

Also does anybody have the tightening/ loosing sequence for the cam caps.

Many Thanks

Al
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Has anyone had any success in getting to the port to insert the pin to hold the crankshaft at TDC without pulling the engine?
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Originally Posted by Ron Vanderwees
Has anyone had any success in getting to the port to insert the pin to hold the crankshaft at TDC without pulling the engine?
yes, several people have, all report that it is quite accessible if you remove the motor mount.

BTW- yes, it's TDC, but not for cyl #1. That may save you some head scratching.
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I posted a picture just on page 16. There's a cut out in the mount a little awkward but still not bad at all
Originally Posted by Ron Vanderwees
Has anyone had any success in getting to the port to insert the pin to hold the crankshaft at TDC without pulling the engine?
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Thanks for the help. Managed to get my hand in there to get the pin in but ended up leaving some DNA on the motor mount. That was pretty tight.

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