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Old 01-18-2010, 02:17 PM   #1
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Anybody have a suggestion for a great swirl/scratch removal product to make Black look new again?
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:51 PM   #2
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You can dilute their Auto Wash for tough spots and spray it around wheel wells, grill and rockers. The Car Champoo they put out is decent too. You'll get excellent results if you follow with the Paint Cleanser and then their carnuba wax...best stuff I've used. Easy on, easy off too. Auto Wash is killer for the engine and engine bay too. Whatever you end up using, post some pics when done.
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Anybody have a suggestion for a great swirl/scratch removal product to make Black look new again?

Well there are a lot of things you can do. Obviously, a good wash will help you out. However, if your car is scratched up, polish will be needed. Any more details on the car? Oxidation (little rust circles all over the place)?

I'd suggest reading up on some detailing websites (detailingbliss.com). If you really want to make your car look like new again, you'll need some supplies, time, and a 6 pack of beer.

I've bought a bunch of stuff through www.detailersdomain.com and never had an issue. Good luck!
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Anybody have a suggestion for a great swirl/scratch removal product to make Black look new again?
Check with Phil on the detailing forum. I use Swissvax Mystery to maintain my brilliant black (they also have cutting polishes and pads):

http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?p=19395308

http://www.swissvax.com/
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Anybody have a suggestion for a great swirl/scratch removal product to make Black look new again?
I have been very happy with the Zaino line of products, especially their polish that covers/reduces swirl marks on my dark blue car.
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If you really want to get rid of those swirls, which are really hairline scratches in the clear coat, you will need to give the car a good wash, then claybar the car to remove contaminants, and then attack the clearcoat with a buffer and a light cut polishing compound. After you remove enough of the clearcoat to get past the scratches then you buff it out with a protective sealing carnuba wax. Long process, and will give you that showroom fresh deep gloss untill you put anything abrasive on the paint again.
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I have a black A6, and the swirls kill me....you need to polish them out with a Porter Cable 7424 using Menzerna's Super Intensive Polish and an Orange CCS Pad. I did loads of research on Autopia on how to do this correctly, and have now mastered black paint and swirl mark removal.

1.No need to clay the car, since the Menzerna will remove the oxidation.
2.Polish with Menzerna SIP and an Orange CCS pad. This will be enough for most people. If you want it even shinier and deeper black complete step 3.
3. Use Zaino's ZPC with a white CCS pad.
4.Complete car with a protective polish. I used Zaino's Z5, and then Z2.

The problem with black paint is that we must learn how to prevent the scratches and swirls. Merely washing the car can cause many disgusting swirls.

I have completed this procedure on 6 black cars successfully now, so I am a veteran. Cars completed include Honda Ridgeline, ML55, E63, Saleen Mustang, C6 A6, C5 Corvette.
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BTW Carnuba Wax is all natural, so it washes right off. Stick with the Zaino stuff....it's very easy to use, and protects the car longer than any other product on the market. TRUST ME, I've used them ALL!
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When I go to car shows I almost always ask how they keep their cars looking so great..you end up with a dozen answers but one thing they virtually all agreed on..with a dark car never ever use anything but brushless systems or better.. handwash. If your really a car nut and want some excellent help..check the wolf, many rodders use his stuff:
http://www.wolfgangcarcare.com/index.html
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The swirl marks that show in certain light pain me to look at too. I've tried lots of products and techniques with no luck. I'm resigned to the fact that I best leave it to a professional detailer at this point. I never knew black could be this difficult to maintain, I thought it was just going to show dirt more and that was it.
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I would NOT bypass the claying step ever. it is the single most important step in removing dirt from your car. Your orbital will just be scratching the dirt on your paint otherwise.

My semi annual detailing involves:

- wash with dawn (removes previous polish/sealent)
- clay
- wash
- Menzerna SIP with orange pad; PC 7424
- Menzerna 106FF with white pad; PC 7424
- Klasse Sealant Glaze
... wait a week
- Klasse Sealant Glaze
.. wait a week
- Klasse Sealant Glaze
- optional top coat of P21S carnuba wax (though there is a haze effect of the wax on top of the sealant).

Car looks good as new with just a wash for the rest of the season.
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Awesome guys......lots of great advise, I really appreciate it and will try the steps. The paint job is really in great shape, just need to deal with those swirl marks. It is surprising how little paint chips are on the car. I'm excited and cant wait for winter to end to do my spring cleaning on it.
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You WONT be scratching your paint by avoiding the clay step. The Menzerna SIP will cut the mild oxidation out. I do agree on claying if the car is pretty bad, but cars only get really bad here in NY with the pollution and dirt. I haven't seen much oxidation in other areas of the country. I haven't used Klasse, but I hear it is great, just difficult to remove. The Zaino leaves an amazing shine, and is rather easy to use.

AM_VER's steps will work, as will mine. The secret to remove the swirls is just to use a Porter Cable 7424 with an Orange Pad, and Menzerna SIP. That'll get rid of all the nasty swirls and light scrathes. From there on, use whatever you want to polish and protect.
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AM_VER if you have to RE-PROTECT your car TWICE a year, then your paint protection OBVIOSULY isn't protecting your clearcoat. You are destroying your car by using SIP TWICE a year. You should NOT be washing with Dawn, or using Menzerna more than ONCE. Unless your paint keeps getting destroyed.

You ONLY need to re-apply the polish/protectant every few months. If you have some oxidation or crap in certain areas, you can clay to remove the damage. Otherwise, you're just killing the paint. Menzerna is a Compound, so it removes a layer of clearcoat everytime it's used.
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I always heard that if you run your fingers over the paint and can feel little bumps stuck to the paint, then the car could benefit from clay.
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ZAINO the hell out of it. ive used everything under the sun. wash, clay it, then use the zaino z2 polish. it comes in z2 regular and z5 for swirls..
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ZAINO the hell out of it. ive used everything under the sun. wash, clay it, then use the zaino z2 polish. it comes in z2 regular and z5 for swirls..
Glas to see that there is another Zaino fan. If you try it, you will understand that it is the best.
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hey kevin have u tried the zaino clear seal? man i applied it in november before the snow and salt season. water is STILL beading like crazy. and it took 15 min to apply..good stuff
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I am a big fan of the clear seal. I am waiting for my hose to defrost so that I can hopefully wash the car this afternoon.
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i hear u man. my hose has been frozen for weeks. i need a 60 degree day
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