chain tensioner on 3.0 TFSI
05-16-2016, 04:40 AM
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chain tensioner on 3.0 TFSI
Hey Guys,
I have this weird sound when I start up the engine, kind of a metal to metal sound for the first second or two. While I checked on internet, it looks like a well known "cosmetic" issue of all preface 3.0 TFSI engines and should not do any harm. is there someone who was dealing with it? happens only when the engine is cold, so I thought it would stop during summer, but so far it still happens
at audi dealer, they said we could try to change the tensioners for the newer generation, but the price is around 4500 euros!! bacause the trans has to go out as well as the engine (so most of the price is because of the work price, around 40 hours of work)
I have a 2011 my
I have this weird sound when I start up the engine, kind of a metal to metal sound for the first second or two. While I checked on internet, it looks like a well known "cosmetic" issue of all preface 3.0 TFSI engines and should not do any harm. is there someone who was dealing with it? happens only when the engine is cold, so I thought it would stop during summer, but so far it still happens
at audi dealer, they said we could try to change the tensioners for the newer generation, but the price is around 4500 euros!! bacause the trans has to go out as well as the engine (so most of the price is because of the work price, around 40 hours of work)
I have a 2011 my
05-25-2016, 08:03 AM
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It isn't a fault, assuming your Audi dealer diagnosed it correctly.
The top chain tensioners on each bank rattle on start up, some more than others. They changed the design to quieter ones around late 2013 (production date), as you noted.
In the US (and I think the US only), they did issue the TSB below. I assume this may have been for people who complained very loudly. I don't know of any other market that would treat this as a warranty claim, or issued a TSB for it.
Regardless, I assume your car is out of warranty. It would seem excessive to spend €4500 on this 3 second "cosmetic" improvement, but maybe it is driving you crazy? I think you will struggle to find anyone that has paid to have this update to new upper tensioners done.
Unfortunately, the TSB does not list the specific labour units required, nor whether the transmission REALLY needs to be removed. I also suspect your dealer has never done this before.
The top chain tensioners on each bank rattle on start up, some more than others. They changed the design to quieter ones around late 2013 (production date), as you noted.
In the US (and I think the US only), they did issue the TSB below. I assume this may have been for people who complained very loudly. I don't know of any other market that would treat this as a warranty claim, or issued a TSB for it.
Regardless, I assume your car is out of warranty. It would seem excessive to spend €4500 on this 3 second "cosmetic" improvement, but maybe it is driving you crazy? I think you will struggle to find anyone that has paid to have this update to new upper tensioners done.
Unfortunately, the TSB does not list the specific labour units required, nor whether the transmission REALLY needs to be removed. I also suspect your dealer has never done this before.
Technical Service Bulletin
15 Engine rattling noises at cold start - V6 3.0 TFSI
15 15 26 2039995/1 March 3, 2015.
Model(s) Year VIN Range Vehicle-Specific Equipment
All 2011 - 2014 All V6 3.0 TFSI
Condition
Rattling noises are heard from the timing chain drive for about 1-3 seconds after the first engine start of the day.
Technical Background
The noises are caused by one of the upper chain tensioners. The noises do not lead to damage.
Production Solution
Improved chain tensioner.
Service
1. Verify condition by observing engine sound during cold start.
2. If the rattling noise comes from the area of the timing chains (back of the engine) for 1-3 seconds after the first start of the day, replace both upper chain tensioners of bank 1 and bank 2 with the optimized chain tensioners.
Technical Service Bulletin Warranty
Claim Type: Use applicable claim type. If vehicle is outside any warranty, this Technical Service Bulletin is informational only.
Service Number: 1536
Damage Code: 0010
Labor Operations: Chain tensioner remove+reinstall (See Elsa for SRT specific to model) 1536 20XX XX TU
Diagnostic Time: GFF No allowance 0 TU
Road test prior to service procedure 0121 0002 10 TU
Road test after service procedure 0121 0004 10 TU
Technical diagnosis at dealer’s discretion
(Refer to Section 2.2.1.2 and Audi Warranty Online for DADP allowance details)
Claim Comment: As per TSB #2039995/1
All warranty claims submitted for payment must be in accordance with the Audi Warranty Policies and Procedures Manual. Claims are subject to review or audit by Audi Warranty.
Required Parts and Tools
Part Number Part Description Quantity
06E109217AH Chain tensioner bank 2 1
06E109218AJ Chain tensioner bank 1 1
Additional Information
All parts and service references provided in this TSB (2039995) are subject to change and/or removal. Always check with your Parts Department and service manuals for the latest information.
15 Engine rattling noises at cold start - V6 3.0 TFSI
15 15 26 2039995/1 March 3, 2015.
Model(s) Year VIN Range Vehicle-Specific Equipment
All 2011 - 2014 All V6 3.0 TFSI
Condition
Rattling noises are heard from the timing chain drive for about 1-3 seconds after the first engine start of the day.
Technical Background
The noises are caused by one of the upper chain tensioners. The noises do not lead to damage.
Production Solution
Improved chain tensioner.
Service
1. Verify condition by observing engine sound during cold start.
2. If the rattling noise comes from the area of the timing chains (back of the engine) for 1-3 seconds after the first start of the day, replace both upper chain tensioners of bank 1 and bank 2 with the optimized chain tensioners.
Technical Service Bulletin Warranty
Claim Type: Use applicable claim type. If vehicle is outside any warranty, this Technical Service Bulletin is informational only.
Service Number: 1536
Damage Code: 0010
Labor Operations: Chain tensioner remove+reinstall (See Elsa for SRT specific to model) 1536 20XX XX TU
Diagnostic Time: GFF No allowance 0 TU
Road test prior to service procedure 0121 0002 10 TU
Road test after service procedure 0121 0004 10 TU
Technical diagnosis at dealer’s discretion
(Refer to Section 2.2.1.2 and Audi Warranty Online for DADP allowance details)
Claim Comment: As per TSB #2039995/1
All warranty claims submitted for payment must be in accordance with the Audi Warranty Policies and Procedures Manual. Claims are subject to review or audit by Audi Warranty.
Required Parts and Tools
Part Number Part Description Quantity
06E109217AH Chain tensioner bank 2 1
06E109218AJ Chain tensioner bank 1 1
Additional Information
All parts and service references provided in this TSB (2039995) are subject to change and/or removal. Always check with your Parts Department and service manuals for the latest information.
05-25-2016, 10:47 AM
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thanks for the reply! Dealer said they did it a few times, but as my engine was warm at the time I was there, we were not able to test it if its the tensioner. But according to the description, it pretty much looks like it.
mine is my2011, so out of warranty already
but anyway, the TSBis only in US, so we are screwed here in EU..
the mechanic said they have to remove the trans in order to get to it, what makes the price astronomic..
the sound is driving me crazy! this is not how a 100k euro car should sound like...
mine is my2011, so out of warranty already
but anyway, the TSBis only in US, so we are screwed here in EU.. the mechanic said they have to remove the trans in order to get to it, what makes the price astronomic..
the sound is driving me crazy! this is not how a 100k euro car should sound like...
05-25-2016, 10:48 AM
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oh and hey, thanks for the TSB, at least i got the part numbers for the revised tensioners 
.. maybe I will find a guy how could change it for me for a better price
.. maybe I will find a guy how could change it for me for a better price
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