A8 / S8 (D3 Platform) Discussion Discussion forum for the D3 Audi A8 produced from 2003-2010 and Audi S8 produced from 2006-2010
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Indy Mechanic: "Dead Battery Took Out Key Recognition, wants Car to go to $tealer

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-30-2016, 03:10 PM
  #21  
AudiWorld Super User
 
TSHong's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,315
Received 40 Likes on 36 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by storka
Just double check he jumped it off the negative pole and not the battery terminal
What damage would that do ?
That's what I was thinking.
Old 06-30-2016, 10:04 PM
  #22  
AudiWorld Super User
 
mishar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 6,831
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

As a starter I would not trust him. I think he knows more about that "poof" but it would make him reliable ($$$). Than, if I am there, I would follow those 12.5V and find where the line is broken. Most certainly not at the key recognition module.

Anyways, make a good record of everything. You may need it.
Old 06-30-2016, 10:17 PM
  #23  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
storka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Townsville
Posts: 865
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by mishar
As a starter I would not trust him. I think he knows more about that "poof" but it would make him reliable ($$$). Than, if I am there, I would follow those 12.5V and find where the line is broken. Most certainly not at the key recognition module.

Anyways, make a good record of everything. You may need it.
Yes probably start at the battery and see if any power is getting to the wiring
Old 06-30-2016, 10:17 PM
  #24  
AudiWorld Super User
 
mishar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 6,831
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Just jumping it with another battery (negative pole or shiny hexagonal) wouldn't hurt anything, but those fast chargers supply higher voltage, so jumping with them can likely burn some modules.
Old 07-01-2016, 09:05 AM
  #25  
AudiWorld Super User
Thread Starter
 
aTOMic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Moronville, Tennessee (Middle TN)
Posts: 2,223
Received 83 Likes on 69 Posts
Default

I spoke to him just now and the dash lights DO come on... I apologize for wasting everyone's time with incorrect assertions

I'd have sworn he said the lights were dead. Back to the search.

Thanks for all the help, guys.
Old 07-01-2016, 11:19 AM
  #26  
AudiWorld Super User
Thread Starter
 
aTOMic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Moronville, Tennessee (Middle TN)
Posts: 2,223
Received 83 Likes on 69 Posts
Default

To be continued... bypass key recognition so I don't have to replace THE ENTIRE STEERING COLUMN
Old 07-01-2016, 05:58 PM
  #27  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
storka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Townsville
Posts: 865
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by aTOMic
To be continued... bypass key recognition so I don't have to replace THE ENTIRE STEERING COLUMN
I don't think that can be done
Can you get a scan on it ?
Old 07-01-2016, 11:08 PM
  #28  
AudiWorld Super User
 
ltooz_a6_a8_q7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Fremont, CA
Posts: 4,936
Received 89 Likes on 80 Posts
Default Immobilizer - theory according to me...

As I understand the system, the immobilizer is activated if an authorized key is used to turn on the engine since the ignition is NOT keyed (you can put in any key and turn it on) when the engine started, it will check the key and immobilize the system. I believed the "Indy Master" might used a wrong key from another car to start the car and activated the immobilizer, hence the battery is still good (never dead in the first place). He knows, that's why he recommended to take the car to the dealer. Nothing may NOT be wrong with your car, may be just an operator error.
I would bring all the spare keys and try to make sure nothing else is the problems (the immobilizer key should appear on the dash - at least on my brother's 2000 A8). Tow the car to the dealer to get all keys reprogram to take the car out of immobilization.
That's how I believe immobilization work. Nothing just died over night even with battery dead. No jumping/charging car correctly would fry anything.
Why sit and start worrying about replacing things when we have no ideas what happened. If I have to take my car an hour away to anyone to fix my car, I would not own that kind of car. I don't care how many years of a technician have on something, if the experience is doing wrong things all those years, don't mean squat. Ask me how I know, I've interviewed engineers with 15 years experienced of doing nothing and wrong ways.

Cheers and good luck,

Louis

Last edited by ltooz_a6_a8_q7; 07-01-2016 at 11:47 PM.
Old 07-02-2016, 12:35 AM
  #29  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
storka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Townsville
Posts: 865
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

+ 1
Flatbed to the dealer
I know the ignition switches work for any key
I have 3 of them and they all work with my key
I don't know if using a wrong key would do it
Just don't let the dealer sell you new thousand dollar modules and give you the bs about not being able to adapt used modules
Also watch they don't break your steering lock while it's dead in the water
Make sure they use wheel rollers
Old 07-02-2016, 12:52 AM
  #30  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
storka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Townsville
Posts: 865
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 20 Posts
Default

Have you tried the key matching with the vcd ?
If the keys are already coded it may work.
When I was swapping out Kessys a while back my keys did not work and I used the vcds and it worked.
Worth a try!,
Ross-Tech: VAG-COM: Remote Control Matching Info

Last edited by storka; 07-02-2016 at 01:15 AM.


Quick Reply: Indy Mechanic: "Dead Battery Took Out Key Recognition, wants Car to go to $tealer



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:55 PM.