mmi updating issues....
03-21-2015, 04:13 PM
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i'm just hoping the VCDS can get it to turn on at this point.... then its a matter of hoping the software works, it did lock up the first time, thats what started this mess. I should be considering ordering the oem discs and going to the dealer at this point, they said they would do the update for $100 if i brought them the discs (but they would have had to be oem)
on the bright side, car still runs....
on the bright side, car still runs....
03-21-2015, 06:07 PM
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Was the vehicle misbehaving/doing something wrong or something that you didn't like? I'm wondering why you are installing this update in the first place.
Also, like the sticky referenced in my earlier post, for anything critical such as things that affect engine internals (read: timing belt etc.), foundation brakes as well as the complicated electronic systems of the D3's; the great feeling of a low price is soon forgotten when problems occur.
I am not certain if the CD's/DVD's you are using are OEM or not; If they aren't, well, you are experiencing this issue first hand. Even worse is that dealers sell the updates for a reasonable price. That said, I'm a believer of the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
That said, good luck to you. I wish I could help more right now.
Also, like the sticky referenced in my earlier post, for anything critical such as things that affect engine internals (read: timing belt etc.), foundation brakes as well as the complicated electronic systems of the D3's; the great feeling of a low price is soon forgotten when problems occur.
I am not certain if the CD's/DVD's you are using are OEM or not; If they aren't, well, you are experiencing this issue first hand. Even worse is that dealers sell the updates for a reasonable price. That said, I'm a believer of the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
That said, good luck to you. I wish I could help more right now.
03-21-2015, 06:28 PM
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Was the vehicle misbehaving/doing something wrong or something that you didn't like? I'm wondering why you are installing this update in the first place.
I am not certain if the CD's/DVD's you are using are OEM or not; If they aren't, well, you are experiencing this issue first hand. Even worse is that dealers sell the updates for a reasonable price. That said, I'm a believer of the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
That said, good luck to you. I wish I could help more right now.
I am not certain if the CD's/DVD's you are using are OEM or not; If they aren't, well, you are experiencing this issue first hand. Even worse is that dealers sell the updates for a reasonable price. That said, I'm a believer of the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp.
That said, good luck to you. I wish I could help more right now.
I appreciate all the help, im really in over my head at this point, this seems to be an expensive learning curve to say the least
03-21-2015, 06:39 PM
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The only thing I can't do with the "old" software in my car is use the new "3-D" style maps. I get along quite well with the 7 or eight year old disk I bought back then from Navteq; then the legitimate supplier that the dealer said I should order it from. I believe they now sell them at the dealers.
I grew up using "old fashioned" Rand McNally printed road atlases and free maps you get at the state highway welcome centers. I hardly used the Nav system in my A8 for the first four years I had the car. One time it came in handy near Chicago when a business I was going to had a sign in the window stating they moved a couple miles away to a so-and-so address. No map and no help how to get there on the sign. I used the nav system to enter the new address and it showed me where to go. This was just before my first smart phone and even then data was expensive. Now the phone is what I use since I get live view of traffic jams so I can avoid them as I'm too old and impatient to sit in stopped traffic these days.
I grew up using "old fashioned" Rand McNally printed road atlases and free maps you get at the state highway welcome centers. I hardly used the Nav system in my A8 for the first four years I had the car. One time it came in handy near Chicago when a business I was going to had a sign in the window stating they moved a couple miles away to a so-and-so address. No map and no help how to get there on the sign. I used the nav system to enter the new address and it showed me where to go. This was just before my first smart phone and even then data was expensive. Now the phone is what I use since I get live view of traffic jams so I can avoid them as I'm too old and impatient to sit in stopped traffic these days.
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03-21-2015, 06:56 PM
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Thus, yes get the dealer disks as very next step
Get the dealer disks as very next steps, both the 3360 that messed up and the 4610 later one. Then if it were mine, I would proceed as I suggested in prior reply.
And yes, you are correct, you need 3360 to install AMI. The the latter versions are documented to deal with mostly bluetooth issues (if you have an early 2005, irrelevant), add a little more to the AMI tracks display, add an altitude display, and deal with some French language display issues I have often suspected/joked may be some Quebec language police bust.
No, in this internet era of instant downloads and iOS and all, I would never apply software from some random source. Unsafe sex with your car electronics if you will. The bricked MMI's from the 4140 fiasco also had in common that the software source was ultimately some burned CD IIRC.
And yes, you are correct, you need 3360 to install AMI. The the latter versions are documented to deal with mostly bluetooth issues (if you have an early 2005, irrelevant), add a little more to the AMI tracks display, add an altitude display, and deal with some French language display issues I have often suspected/joked may be some Quebec language police bust.
No, in this internet era of instant downloads and iOS and all, I would never apply software from some random source. Unsafe sex with your car electronics if you will. The bricked MMI's from the 4140 fiasco also had in common that the software source was ultimately some burned CD IIRC.
I was missing a few things that i was going to need (so i was told in another thread) i was updating to use the 2015 map and also planned on getting an AMI and bluetooth in the near future, the discs are copys, I have yet to determine that the issue stemmed from the discs, but since everything (including the xm radio) was working properly 5 min before the updates, i have my doubts about the software. i was using a trickle charger to maintain the battery level during the updates and followed the .pdf for updating software too a "T"
I appreciate all the help, im really in over my head at this point, this seems to be an expensive learning curve to say the least
I appreciate all the help, im really in over my head at this point, this seems to be an expensive learning curve to say the least
03-25-2015, 01:26 PM
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VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Data version: 20150311
Ross-Tech: Home
Wednesday,25,March,2015,17:23:12:10235
Chassis Type: 4E (4E0)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 0E 0F 15 16 17 19 25 34 36 37 38 42
46 47 4F 52 53 55 56 61 62 65 72 75
VIN: WAUML44E15N004037 Mileage: 185840km-115475miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
34-Level Control -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
38-Roof Electronics -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
75-Telematics -- Status: Malfunction 0010
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 077-910-560-BFM.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 560 J HW: 4E0 907 560
Component: 4.2L V8/5V G 0010
Revision: -------- Serial number: AUX3Z0D6745816
Coding: 0007773
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 285FC4079BD4E06106F-807D
No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09E-927-156.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 156 S HW: 09E 927 156 A
Component: AG6 09E 4,2L5V USA 0010
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: 0037387
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 326B266FAD089AB1A8B-8067
No fault code found.
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4E0-910-517.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 517 B HW: 4E0 614 517 BC
Component: ESP 5.7 allrad H44 0510
Coding: 0007597
Shop #: WSC 02313 000 00000
VCID: 224BD62FFDE80A3158B-8077
No fault code found.
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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 L
Component: FBS AUDID3 H08 0160
Revision: 01604808 Serial number: AUX3Z0D6745816
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 03055 444 59191
VCID: 58BFB4C7EB3490E176F-800D
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX
No fault code found.
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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 760 C HW: 4E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory BFS H08 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 5DS 008 795-03
Coding: 3940448
Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: 2345D32BE2F2033953D-8076
No fault code found.
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Address 07: Control Head
Cannot be reached
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 043 A HW: 4E0 820 043 A
Component: KLIMAAUTOMAT 016 0300
Revision: 00000025 Serial number: 00000000048365
Coding: 1085761
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1B35EBCBDA823BF99BD-804E
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4E0-910-279.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 279 J HW: 4E0 907 279 J
Component: ILM Fahrer H12 0190
Coding: 0123113
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 2F6D2F1BBE3AB759C75-807A
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E1 910 113 B
Component: Wischer WWS D3 H50 0400
Coding: 00000035
Shop #: WSC 02313
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH10 0040
Coding: 00139548
Shop #: WSC 02313
No fault code found.
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Address 0E: Media Player 1
Cannot be reached
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Address 0F: Digital Radio
Cannot be reached
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4E0-910-655-84.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 655 A HW: 4E0 959 655 E
Component: Airbag 8.4E+ H10 0920
Coding: 0530707
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 2447D037E7FC04012A7-8071
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4E0-910-549.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 549 HW: 4E0 953 549 A
Component: Lenksäulenmodul H13 0040
Coding: 0012241
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 65C18D33AC463D09FD9-8030
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: Lenkradmodul H04 0080
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4E0-910-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 950 G HW: 4E0 920 950 G
Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H47 0200
Revision: D02 Serial number: AUDID3D6000208
Coding: 0016238
Shop #: WSC 41724 001 1048576
VCID: 285FC4079BD4E06106F-807D
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4E0-910-468.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 468 A HW: 4E0 907 468 C
Component: Gateway H07 0040
Revision: 07 Serial number: 05005046101DC7
Coding: 7CFE7BDD1B2B04
Shop #: WSC 09112 444 57485
VCID: 2643CA3F91C0F611343-8073
1 Fault Found:
00384 - Optical Databus
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 59
Mileage: 185845 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2004.03.29
Time: 00:19:12
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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 L
Component: FBS AUDID3 H08 0160
Revision: 01604808 Serial number: AUX3Z0D6745816
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 03055 444 59191
VCID: 58BFB4C7EB3490E176F-800D
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX ELV XXXX
No fault code found.
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Address 34: Level Control Labels: 4E0-910-553.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 553 H HW: 4E0 907 553 F
Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC H06 4480
Coding: 0015510
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 285FC4079BD4E06106F-807D
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 760 C HW: 4E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory FS H08 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 5DS 008 795-03
Coding: 4071530
Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: 2345D32BE2F2033953D-8076
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation
Cannot be reached
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 38: Roof Electronics Labels: 4E0-910-135.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 135 A HW: 4E0 907 135
Component: Dachknoten D3 H02 0090
Serial number: 00000412600048
Coding: 0003477
Shop #: WSC 03317 444 83903
VCID: 1D31E5D3C49635C9659-8048
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4E1-910-802-42.lbl
Part No SW: 4E1 910 802 B HW: 4E1 959 801 B
Component: Türsteuer.FS BRM002 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 204FDC27F3E418214EF-8075
No fault code found.
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4E0-910-289.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 289 A HW: 4E0 907 289
Component: Komfortgeraet H04 0040
Revision: 00400004 Serial number: W040406190148
Coding: 0044606
Shop #: WSC 03055 444 54324
VCID: 275DC73B96CAEF190F5-8072
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E0 910 853
Component: Heckdeckel H06 0060
Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 907 719
Component: Neigungssensor H03 0020
2 Faults Found:
01696 - Footwell Lighting; Rear Left (W45)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 59
Mileage: 55633 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2004.12.04
Time: 20:59:59
01697 - Footwell Lighting; Rear Right (W46)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 59
Mileage: 55633 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2004.12.04
Time: 21:00:00
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Address 47: Sound System
Cannot be reached
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 280 A HW: 4E0 907 280 A
Component: ILM Beifahrer H09 0040
Revision: Serial number: 00000000043635
Coding: 0010111
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 1E33E2DFC9902ED17C3-804B
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E0 910 511 A
Component: UGDO HL US H02 0030
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: VK4978T0ETWE
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4E1-910-802-52.lbl
Part No SW: 4E1 910 802 B HW: 4E1 959 802 B
Component: Türsteuer.BF BRM002 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 204FDC27F3E418214EF-8075
No fault code found.
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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4E0-910-801.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 910 801 A HW: 4E0 907 801
Component: EPB AV1C1010 H01 1010
Revision: AV1C1010
Coding: 0000532
Shop #: WSC 44870 000 1048576
VCID: 1D31E5D3C49635C9659-8048
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4E0-910-357.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 357 HW: 4E0 907 357
Component: Pre-AFS H01 0040
Revision: 00000001 Serial number:
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 62CB962FBD684A3118B-8037
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 61: Battery Regul. Labels: 4E0-910-181.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 181 C HW: 4E0 915 181 C
Component: J0644 BEM H11 0510
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000003453
Shop #: WSC 03317 444 84819
VCID: 204FDC27F3E418214EF-8075
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E0 915 105 A
Component: von VA0 1406280467
Coding: 344530393135313035412056413031343036323830343637
Shop #: WSC 00000 128 00289
No fault code found.
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 4E0-910-802.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 802 A HW: 4E0 959 801 C
Component: Türsteuer.HL BRM002 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1E33E2DFC9902ED17C3-804B
No fault code found.
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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 4E0-910-273.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 273 HW: 4E0 907 273
Component: Reifendruck 2 H01
Revision: 00010027 Serial number: 00000900025636
Coding: 0232125
Shop #: WSC 64759 067 57207
VCID: 5FCD9FDB8E1A67D9375-800A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 4E0-910-802.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 802 A HW: 4E0 959 802 C
Component: Türsteuer.HR BRM002 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1E33E2DFC9902ED17C3-804B
No fault code found.
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Address 75: Telematics Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 616 HW: 4E0 035 616 B
Component: Telematik USA1 0080
Revision: 00000004 Serial number: 0000ATD3011224
Coding: 0000005
Shop #: WSC 02035 444 54538
VCID: 60CF9C27B06458210EF-5122
1 Fault Found:
01531 - Emergency Battery
002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - MIL ON
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:23)--------------------------
03-25-2015, 01:36 PM
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i think this is it, forgive me, new to vcds...
Wednesday,25,March,2015,17:34:45:10235
VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gateway H07 0040
Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard
Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK OK
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation OK OK
0F-Digital Radio ERROR ERROR
Wednesday,25,March,2015,17:34:45:10235
VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gateway H07 0040
Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard
Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK OK
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation OK OK
0F-Digital Radio ERROR ERROR
03-25-2015, 02:00 PM
#19
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i think this is it, forgive me, new to vcds...
Wednesday,25,March,2015,17:34:45:10235
VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gateway H07 0040
Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard
Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK OK
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation OK OK
0F-Digital Radio ERROR ERROR
Wednesday,25,March,2015,17:34:45:10235
VCDS Version: Release 14.10.2 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gateway H07 0040
Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard
Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK OK
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation OK OK
0F-Digital Radio ERROR ERROR
03-25-2015, 02:07 PM
#20
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I know this doesn't help but this is a perfect example why I don't mind paying the dealer for 1-1.5hrs of labor to update my MMI. Good luck with the fix.