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Old 01-27-2014, 10:26 AM   #1
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I was wondering what would be the best place to connect the switch... If it would be possible to disconnect a part that would stop the engine from starting but the starter would still try so any (possible) thieves wouldn't easily figure out what is wrong... I don't want any aftermarket alarm systems, just a simple hidden switch. I could disconnect the fuel pumps but the engine would then probably still start for a bit...
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I was wondering what would be the best place to connect the switch... If it would be possible to disconnect a part that would stop the engine from starting but the starter would still try so any (possible) thieves wouldn't easily figure out what is wrong... I don't want any aftermarket alarm systems, just a simple hidden switch. I could disconnect the fuel pumps but the engine would then probably still start for a bit...
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Your A8 is equipped with an imobilizer system. Unless a theif has your key with the chip for your A8, your A8 won't go anywhere. If some one manages to start the car somehow it will only run for a few seconds. Do that 3 times and EVERYTHING in the car shuts down, only to be activated again by an Audi dealer after you present proof of ownership (if they dont know you).
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Not sure.

Take a look at this recent post in the D4 forum from a member in the Netherlands:

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Yes in 2 minuts your stock car can be stolen without damage on doors. Witha turbodecoder the drivers door will be opend and your alarm is then off aswell, then a OBD2 cracker will switch of your immobiliser and your car can be started.

Best is upgrade your Stock car alarm with seperate alarm with remote not related to Audi. Those upgrade alarms cut aswell the K and L lines and the OBD2 cracker is useless.

Other option is a gearbox lock.....
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That's a bit unnerving.
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Not sure.

Take a look at this recent post in the D4 forum from a member in the Netherlands:
Before I thrust the guy I would check stolen A8 statistics for Holland.
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Not sure.

Take a look at this recent post in the D4 forum from a member in the Netherlands:
the fact is that in the US the brands of cars that get stolen are those brands for which there is a large parts market. A8s are sold in miniscule numbers in the relative scope of the US auto market and therefore there is no parts market.

No pro would steal an A8 and no punk who wants to take a ride has the sophisticated tools mentioned (if they exist).
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Your A8 is equipped with an imobilizer system. Unless a theif has your key with the chip for your A8, your A8 won't go anywhere. If some one manages to start the car somehow it will only run for a few seconds. Do that 3 times and EVERYTHING in the car shuts down, only to be activated again by an Audi dealer after you present proof of ownership (if they dont know you).
Yea, but these cars still get stolen. I'd rather have some (simple) system that isn't widely known and can at least delay the thief. Usually if it takes too long start the car they will just move on to the next poor fella...
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Not that it is really appropriate for this car but, disconnect one of the terminals of the battery if you are going to leave it for a length of time.
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Before I thrust the guy I would check stolen A8 statistics for Holland.
Have not checked, but it would not surprise me at all in Europe that this is happening.


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the fact is that in the US
Quite possibly, but the OP is not in the US...
Was thinking that other post corroborated his concern.


I read on Engadget some time back that the security encryption codes for all of VAG were cracked/hacked or something.
Typically I used to consider the Audi having to be flat-bedded, or jokingly, fork-lifted to be stolen.
Thieves, like the vehicles, are getting much more sophisticated than the old screwdriver in the steering column.

Original post was re: Audi S8 Tops Most Stolen List
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Thieves, like the vehicles, are getting much more sophisticated than the old screwdriver in the steering column.
I agree. So, if they came to your A8 with a towing truck and computer it is for a reason. They won't be discouraged by a hidden switch. They would load it and like any other smart guy with a problem ask AudiWorld what to do. That won't trigger any flags. A8 is is full of hidden switches anyways.
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That won't trigger any flags.
I think a nice security / convenience feature would be for Connect to be able to track the vehicle.
Then again I suppose you could just knock the shark fin off....
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If you are walking away from your car and someone pulls a gun on you (and you can't return fire) you will give them your key and they drive away in your car. If you are say, in a gym and your stuff is in a locker and a thief busts in, they have your key with the four rings on it. They go into the parking lot and drive away in your car.

Instead, install a kill switch that cuts off one of the engine RPM sensor wires. Problem solved.

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Steal rate on A8 is usually perceived as relatively low in U.S. Too rare for chop shop parts boosting, and too "boring" and fuddy duddy for stereotype kids joy riding. Some market if they get shipped complete to third world or Asia, but that's sort of organized crime, flatbeds, container transport, etc. Angle sensor already built in to factory alarm may be best single item there, if anyone pays attention to it. I know it works from jacking up car a few times when doors got locked along the way.

From a U.S. insurance report I saw I while back S8 had a pretty high theft percentage, but I think it was in fair measure because the reporting base (demoninator) was so low. One story on this: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...y-thieves.html S8 is literally at the top of this list if you click through, though A8 is on it too; kind of an eclectic "luxury" list though: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...n-luxury-cars/

The usual most stolen vehicle type lists--high volume vehicles with a ready use parts market: http://www.esurance.com/claims-info/...op-stolen-cars, and way higher in absolute numbers. Audi hardly registers in the noise level on these kinds of mass market lists.
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If you are walking away from your car and someone pulls a gun on you (and you can't return fire) you will give them your key and they drive away in your car. If you are say, in a gym and your stuff is in a locker and a thief busts in, they have your key with the four rings on it. They go into the parking lot and drive away in your car.

Instead, install a kill switch that cuts off one of the engine RPM sensor wires. Problem solved.

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How would the car react if one of the RPM sensor wires is disconnected?

Here usually thieves don't use flatbeds or any other towing methods. Usually they just trick electronics in some way and drive the car. I remember BMW's getting stolen by messing with some wires inside the door mirror so software goes nuts. It didn't start the car but disabled immobilizers and stuff like that.
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http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012...n-hacking-kit/
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How would the car react if one of the RPM sensor wires is disconnected?

Here usually thieves don't use flatbeds or any other towing methods. Usually they just trick electronics in some way and drive the car. I remember BMW's getting stolen by messing with some wires inside the door mirror so software goes nuts. It didn't start the car but disabled immobilizers and stuff like that.
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http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012...n-hacking-kit/
The Engine RPM sensor, if defective, will not allow the engine to start. It is a Hall-Effect sensor so disconnecting any single wire renders it inoperative.

Search some threads here for stories about defective ones. Failure mode begins with failures when hot (engine hot) but allows start when cooled down to ambient temp, even in the Summer heat when mine failed forcing my wife & I to walk home about two miles.
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How would the car react if one of the RPM sensor wires is disconnected?
I believe the car would crank but not start. I'm not sure about this. Perhaps someone else can confirm.
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