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Old 03-28-2014, 05:58 AM   #1
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Default Are there two versions of the upper control arms?

Just wanted to confirm, there are two diff version of the upper control arms, right? One for sport package A6/S6/A8/S8 cars and one for the regular ones, correct?

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http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/pro...E0407505E.html
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http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/pro...E0407506E.html
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:53 AM   #2
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I'm not sure about the sport vs. regular, but there is a difference between the S8 and A8. The difference being the S8 uses stiffer bushings. You can use them in an A8 if you want to firm things up a bit.
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Default You might want to review your own links again...

Typically when Audi part numbers vary at the last digit for a given vehicle fitment, they are for the left and right sides. Look again at the listings you posted and you can see that in the text. If it is a fitment option like sport or non-sport, that is usually signified by letter suffixes (often two) after the last digit.

Not sure where you are going w/ this, but if you are actually dealer ordering, they can just do a VIN look up to confirm fitment.
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I'm not sure about the sport vs. regular, but there is a difference between the S8 and A8. The difference being the S8 uses stiffer bushings. You can use them in an A8 if you want to firm things up a bit.
I could not find any credible information about A8 S8 bushing differences, except the price. Can you pass the link where we can find this?
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Default Reconfirming note to self: ABSOLUTELY buy OE

Poking at this more, I found the "E" version is the generally normal one. The "F" version seems to be for S8's. Also listed on Euro EKTA as being used for the armored D3's.

Then I started noticing the cross fitments to the C6 A6. Okay, so then I figured I would check the C6 RS6 (the unobtainium one in the US). It came up with the "F" version again. Between that and the armored reference, about enough for me to decide when the time comes again, I will probably use the "F" variant.

Well, then I tried one last Google search and found this: http://cn.oemol.com/oem/oem_detail_s...407505F&lan=en

That's when I realized, again, holy ^&$%, the D3 control arms really do cross over to the #1 Audi sold in China, the A6 and particularly the A6L. Even better, how about the "become a supplier" link in that web page I linked? Truly scary. Thus, to my mind confirmation to be really careful with any non Audi sourced control arms. They are used in China and presumably then aftermarket supplied as well, including eventually perhaps by "become a supplier" mysteries. Thus, as I already had decided after my C5 A6 experiences with "Meyle" parts that conveniently had no country of origin markings on them anywhere that I could find, my future suspension component purchases continue to be from Audi dealers, or at most if I ever saw them actually available here, a confirmed Euro OES supplier like TRW.
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https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-...-rear-101-5968

Says it's made by a "domestic manufacturer". Hmmm

Never mind, seems legit. FCP says they've carried the line for ~7 years without major issues
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https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-...-rear-101-5968

Says it's made by a "domestic manufacturer". Hmmm

Never mind, seems legit. FCP says they've carried the line for ~7 years without major issues
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https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-...-rear-101-5968

Says it's made by a "domestic manufacturer". Hmmm

Never mind, seems legit. FCP says they've carried the line for ~7 years without major issues
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...63808443,d.cWc
FCP stuff is garbage.....
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FCP stuff is garbage.....
Their house brand is garbage, Meyle HD stuff is solid.
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Default Meyle--don't think so.

See the earlier post of mine. Specifically, one Meyle arm failed at the rubber boot in less than 30K miles on my 2000 C5 A6 with almost the same aluminum arm set up as the D3. In addition, there were no country of origin markings on the parts when I examined them. That is typically required by law in most western countries, and to me an indicator of dubious real origin.

Net buy OE/OES or waste time and $ in longer run.
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Thee is a lot of "Garbage" out there that may last for 10-20K miles, see here for an example. The last purchase I made from Rock Auto had OE Lemforder parts on their price listings. When I received the parts I double checked and they were Made In Germany. I had previously ordered some Lemforder parts from another outfit and I am pretty sure they had the "Made In China" stamp ground off.

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Their house brand is garbage, Meyle HD stuff is solid.
Nope. Seen way too many Meyle parts fall apart after 20k.

For these cars, either OEM or TRUE OEM supplier (i.e. TRW), or UPGRADED aftermarket. All of the off brand stuff is just garbage.

Given how much work and PITA most of these parts are to swap out, it's just not worth trying to save a buck here or there to only do the job again in short order.
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The Karlyn website claims they're made in the USA, NY state.

I have been involved in manufacturing and can attest this "Made In USA" can be an endorsement or a warning.

I am sure the OEM are superior, but I might try the Karlyn, because I like to support US manufacturing AND because I'm cheap.

I will try to find any AW sponsors who sell them, though. Hate to endorse FCP since they are not yet sponsors. I really wish they were, because I just found this on their site (!)

http://www.fcpeuro.com/page/lifetime-guarantee

Almost hard to believe. And no small print that excludes DIY-installed parts...

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I could not find any credible information about A8 S8 bushing differences, except the price. Can you pass the link where we can find this?
This information comes from Carson, an Audi Parts Person, former Audi service adviser and avid diy'er. I (and many others)did this with my A4, it's definitely stiffer.
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The Karlyn website claims they're made in the USA, NY state.

I have been involved in manufacturing and can attest this "Made In USA" can be an endorsement or a warning.

I am sure the OEM are superior, but I might try the Karlyn, because I like to support US manufacturing AND because I'm cheap.

I will try to find any AW sponsors who sell them, though. Hate to endorse FCP since they are not yet sponsors. I really wish they were, because I just found this on their site (!)

http://www.fcpeuro.com/page/lifetime-guarantee

Almost hard to believe. And no small print that excludes DIY-installed parts...

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I could give two SH$Ts about the "warranty," as I have no interest in doing the job over again because of poor quality parts. I'm not sure what your time is worth, but I sure as hell have better things to do than do jobs twice to "save" a few bucks up front.
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As far as site sponsors go, that line of thinking is tainted as Blau Parts is a sponsor here and, well, er, umm, hmm; search threads for their timing belt kit horror stories. All parts marketed as OEM. Borderline fraud imo.
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Nope. Seen way too many Meyle parts fall apart after 20k.

For these cars, either OEM or TRUE OEM supplier (i.e. TRW), or UPGRADED aftermarket. All of the off brand stuff is just garbage.

Given how much work and PITA most of these parts are to swap out, it's just not worth trying to save a buck here or there to only do the job again in short order.
My set of authentic lemforder sway bar links were made in china (as per the box). I've had several meyle parts made in germany, turkey and hungary, so YMMV... buying the cheapest thing out there generally means bad news.
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Nope. Seen way too many Meyle parts fall apart after 20k.

For these cars, either OEM or TRUE OEM supplier (i.e. TRW), or UPGRADED aftermarket. All of the off brand stuff is just garbage.

Given how much work and PITA most of these parts are to swap out, it's just not worth trying to save a buck here or there to only do the job again in short order.
I opened the box with the Meyle front rotors. Meyle Platinum line, 360 mm. The country if origin is not on the rotors, but the box is labeled as Made in China.
I opened the rear rotors and they are the same. The pads were made in Canada.
Should have known that 350.00 delivered would not buy a new set of West German Meyle rotors and pads. The Blauparts OEM front rotors and pads are a lot more expensive.
I will try and find OEM bushings for the control arms with a few more miles.
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As far as site sponsors go, that line of thinking is tainted as Blau Parts is a sponsor here and, well, er, umm, hmm; search threads for their timing belt kit horror stories. All parts marketed as OEM. Borderline fraud imo.
I know, and agree. But I try to buy from site sponsors when I can.

I seem to remember a picture of the A8 rubber bushing which had a sort of groove while the S8 was a solid rubber bushing. I may be thinking of something else, though.
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From the Karlyn catalog, page 12, they post the same part number for both A8 and S8 front upper control arms (difference for L and R, of course).

http://www.karlynsti.com/2012%20Stee...%20Catalog.pdf
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