Apr tuning released for s3!
04-04-2015, 08:42 AM
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I was in a very irritable mood when I replied before. I reread it and I apologize. It just pointed out the very problem Audi is dealing with, and why they have to take the steps they do.
I have a 2012 A3. I looked everywhere for the right car. 2 months before the warranty period was to expire I brought it to Audi and explained what I wanted to do. They brought it into service and went over the vehicle. After 2 days in, they provided me a list of suggested upgrades and solutions to help me achieve what I wanted. They even helped me track down some of the parts. Over the next 8 months, as I accomplished the work, the entire service team become a fan of the car. So, I guess I get a little sensitive when I see people who consider themselves honest, good people, lying and basically committing fraud. Especially when you really dont have too.
I have a 2012 A3. I looked everywhere for the right car. 2 months before the warranty period was to expire I brought it to Audi and explained what I wanted to do. They brought it into service and went over the vehicle. After 2 days in, they provided me a list of suggested upgrades and solutions to help me achieve what I wanted. They even helped me track down some of the parts. Over the next 8 months, as I accomplished the work, the entire service team become a fan of the car. So, I guess I get a little sensitive when I see people who consider themselves honest, good people, lying and basically committing fraud. Especially when you really dont have too.
04-04-2015, 08:03 PM
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Not trying to flame anyone in this discussion, but this S3 owner just blew his turbo. https://www.audiworld.com/forums/aud.../#post24673136
Guess it can happen to anyone. Hypothetically assuming this person had a tune, it would be tough having a blown turbo, have Audi service department computer search vehicle for parameters, throw a TD1 flag and then not have the turbo covered under warranty.
So I am just throwing it out there that I have noted that the turbocharger may be a weak link on the S3 and tuning would create an out of warranty risk.
Guess it can happen to anyone. Hypothetically assuming this person had a tune, it would be tough having a blown turbo, have Audi service department computer search vehicle for parameters, throw a TD1 flag and then not have the turbo covered under warranty.
So I am just throwing it out there that I have noted that the turbocharger may be a weak link on the S3 and tuning would create an out of warranty risk.
04-04-2015, 09:32 PM
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I thought he bought a CPO A3? I also thought the S3 had an upgraded turbo to the one in the A3? Either way, I've read countless times that these across all VAG vehicles are suspect. I also heard they might have switched turbo manufacturers recently because of it? Hmmmm
04-05-2015, 09:06 AM
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Here's my $0.02 on some of the issues brought up here:
Tuning Audi motors to reasonable levels has historically proven to be very reliable. People are not blowing motors or transmissions. In fact people are hammering the crap out of these cars, and they still last over 100,000 miles. The safety of the tunes is not the issue. The durability of the parts is not the issue.
There is only one real issue to be concerned about, and that is this: if you were to have something go wrong anyway, and now it goes wrong on a tuned car, Audi now has a mechanism to deny your warranty claim. And they will. All this talk about not wanting to upset their customer base is BS. They are a business. If there is a way to avoid a warranty claim, you can bet they will use it.
The ECU game has become a cat-mouse phenomenon. I am still not sure why Audi doesn't offer its own performance tunes with a warranty, maybe even a more limited one. I am sure people will be willing to pay a little extra for this over what they are paying a third party vendor. Both Porsche and Mercedes do this with their "power packs".
Tuning Audi motors to reasonable levels has historically proven to be very reliable. People are not blowing motors or transmissions. In fact people are hammering the crap out of these cars, and they still last over 100,000 miles. The safety of the tunes is not the issue. The durability of the parts is not the issue.
There is only one real issue to be concerned about, and that is this: if you were to have something go wrong anyway, and now it goes wrong on a tuned car, Audi now has a mechanism to deny your warranty claim. And they will. All this talk about not wanting to upset their customer base is BS. They are a business. If there is a way to avoid a warranty claim, you can bet they will use it.
The ECU game has become a cat-mouse phenomenon. I am still not sure why Audi doesn't offer its own performance tunes with a warranty, maybe even a more limited one. I am sure people will be willing to pay a little extra for this over what they are paying a third party vendor. Both Porsche and Mercedes do this with their "power packs".
04-05-2015, 09:53 AM
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Here's my $0.02 on some of the issues brought up here:
Tuning Audi motors to reasonable levels has historically proven to be very reliable. People are not blowing motors or transmissions. In fact people are hammering the crap out of these cars, and they still last over 100,000 miles. The safety of the tunes is not the issue. The durability of the parts is not the issue.
There is only one real issue to be concerned about, and that is this: if you were to have something go wrong anyway, and now it goes wrong on a tuned car, Audi now has a mechanism to deny your warranty claim. And they will. All this talk about not wanting to upset their customer base is BS. They are a business. If there is a way to avoid a warranty claim, you can bet they will use it.
The ECU game has become a cat-mouse phenomenon. I am still not sure why Audi doesn't offer its own performance tunes with a warranty, maybe even a more limited one. I am sure people will be willing to pay a little extra for this over what they are paying a third party vendor. Both Porsche and Mercedes do this with their "power packs".
Tuning Audi motors to reasonable levels has historically proven to be very reliable. People are not blowing motors or transmissions. In fact people are hammering the crap out of these cars, and they still last over 100,000 miles. The safety of the tunes is not the issue. The durability of the parts is not the issue.
There is only one real issue to be concerned about, and that is this: if you were to have something go wrong anyway, and now it goes wrong on a tuned car, Audi now has a mechanism to deny your warranty claim. And they will. All this talk about not wanting to upset their customer base is BS. They are a business. If there is a way to avoid a warranty claim, you can bet they will use it.
The ECU game has become a cat-mouse phenomenon. I am still not sure why Audi doesn't offer its own performance tunes with a warranty, maybe even a more limited one. I am sure people will be willing to pay a little extra for this over what they are paying a third party vendor. Both Porsche and Mercedes do this with their "power packs".
04-05-2015, 02:27 PM
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Parenthetically AND anecdotally, I've pushed two 1.8T engine and both needed valve and block seals by 75k miles.
Seems like a hijack of the thread, so my apologies, but I just want owners that are new to tuning or Audi/VW that are reading this, to understand that there is a lot to weigh before tuning a car to perform past factory specs.
04-06-2015, 01:53 PM
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If the car is out of warranty, then go for your tune. But why buy a car which includes a paid for warranty and then go void your warranty.
04-06-2015, 04:40 PM
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Those that want to do it just need to be aware of the risks. It's always been pay to play, it's just Audi is rightfully causing the "pay" option to occur more frequently. Couple that with a known manufacturing flaw with a part of the drivetrain affected by said tune, and you increase your risk greatly.
04-07-2015, 09:52 AM
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Ok...lets just clear up the confusing BS post this is.
Of course Audi isn't giving you any problem with your 2006 A4. This thread is for the NEW 2015 ability to detect flashes, reflashes, and aftermarket tuning. Secondly, Audi didn't pay to replace your engine...your warranty company paid Audi to replace your engine.
And you should probably study Audi drivetrain and DSG components and how Stronic works first then. Probably answer your own question. Maybe send a copy of that post to your insurance company....
Of course Audi isn't giving you any problem with your 2006 A4. This thread is for the NEW 2015 ability to detect flashes, reflashes, and aftermarket tuning. Secondly, Audi didn't pay to replace your engine...your warranty company paid Audi to replace your engine.
And you should probably study Audi drivetrain and DSG components and how Stronic works first then. Probably answer your own question. Maybe send a copy of that post to your insurance company....
I just don't get the mentality that says you do the equivalent of breaking a contract and it's okay to scam Audi into financially paying for the results of you breaking the contract. It's your car and you should do whatever you want to it, just don't expect someone else to pay when it goes bad. Audi warranty terms make it clear what actions void the entire warranty. Honesty is not negotiable and filing a false warranty claim (which is what it is) is actually criminal.
It's the tone of the thread that says many people think that manipulating and concealing the truth is okay that bugs me. It's not tuning your car and doing mods. I'm all for that if it's what you want to do and accept the risks/consequences.
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04-07-2015, 10:21 AM
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I wish there were like buttons for posts because I would bang it about 100 times for your post.
I just don't get the mentality that says you do the equivalent of breaking a contract and it's okay to scam Audi into financially paying for the results of you breaking the contract. It's your car and you should do whatever you want to it, just don't expect someone else to pay when it goes bad. Audi warranty terms make it clear what actions void the entire warranty. Honesty is not negotiable and filing a false warranty claim (which is what it is) is actually criminal.
It's the tone of the thread that says many people think that manipulating and concealing the truth is okay that bugs me. It's not tuning your car and doing mods. I'm all for that if it's what you want to do and accept the risks/consequences.
I just don't get the mentality that says you do the equivalent of breaking a contract and it's okay to scam Audi into financially paying for the results of you breaking the contract. It's your car and you should do whatever you want to it, just don't expect someone else to pay when it goes bad. Audi warranty terms make it clear what actions void the entire warranty. Honesty is not negotiable and filing a false warranty claim (which is what it is) is actually criminal.
It's the tone of the thread that says many people think that manipulating and concealing the truth is okay that bugs me. It's not tuning your car and doing mods. I'm all for that if it's what you want to do and accept the risks/consequences.
My post was questioning the wisdom of some of the upgrades with the expectation that I would be on my own if something broke. In this case the DSG which it still seems to me could be a weaker link than any other part when increasing power/torque beyond the designed thresholds. smooth_1 has already said his post was a little over the top with a gracious apology. I'm actually leaning on the no mods route for the foreseeable future - I need a car to do 25,000km a year for 10 years more than a little more oomph. Maybe if I picked up an older TT or something just play around with.