snagitseven

I trust you will updating this frequently as the ongoing investigations by the various government agencies proceed with other models and engines.

arU4ic

I didn't say if everyone is doing it its ok BUT they could have lied to me about the emissions on my S3 and I would not have cared, just being honest and I think if most were honest, they would admit that when they looked at the specs of 2.0D, they didn't look at emissions and if they did, they didn't remember the numbers when this news story came out.

BUT they broke the law and they should pay for that, as should every automaker that does something like this.

RH Goodguy

You're right, no one "looks at" the emissions...because we all assume the cars are "clean" and pass the pertinent emissions standards. We buy the diesel because of the performance/mpg characteristics we find within the "clean" emissions framework.

So we're relying on the company's statements that the various engines are all comparable from a tailpipe standpoint, and the better mpg you get, the more "clean" the car is overall.

How'd that work out?

arU4ic

Good arguments, yeah I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't think crucifying VW alone is right and making an example out of them when everyone is doing this (see my next post to this thread) the entire situation needs to be re-evaluated, at least in the US market.

arU4ic

Wide range of cars emit more pollution in realistic driving tests, data shows | Environment | The Guardian

I wanna see the numbers on a Prius gas engine - those people seem to be constantly be flooring the gas pedal, at least in the Bay Area.

A car on rollers, with no air-flow and no mass to get moving will always create different emissions, this whole thing is starting to seem stupid - to me at least. I wish the media would educate as well as it dramatizes.

Carista

Yes, of course, that's the plan

snagitseven

While cars on rollers during a test may provide different results on the road, the fact is VAG admits to unlawfully rigging the software to pass the emissions tests and disbling it on the road to improve performance. No matter how you feel about the law or the testing procedures, it doesn't change the fact that they have admitted to deliberately misleading the agencies and their customers around the world. If other companies have done it too, it doesn't change VAG's culpability or make it right or legal. This is no small deal.

arU4ic

I agree and disagree.

Its a smaller deal if they pushed the software a small percentage (e.g. manslaughter versus man 1) to allow emissions pass grade on rollers AND by this argument, its a big deal if they pushed it really far, especially if the car could never pass an emissions test without the soft are manipulation (Premeditated Man 1 [in my analogy]).

Yes, law was broken, but to be legalistic about it doesn't make sense, there needs to be a point on the spectrum that indicates the degree of deception in-order to arrive at the the correct punishment.

I agree, nothing they can do right no seems to indicate that it was 'right' or 'legal'.

snagitseven

We are not speaking to degrees of illegality here - we'll leave that to the agencies, lawmakers and justice departments involved to determine. It is the trust broken by a company that has long had the respect of the buying public through its deception and apparent cover up. No matter how large a financial hit or what legal measures may be imposed on VAG around the world, it will take some time for it to fully regain the trust of its most loyal supporters, the loyal, repeat customers of their products.

DennisMitchell

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/05/bu...pgtype=article