08' Porsche Turbo to RS5?
12-02-2013, 06:22 PM
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HA, yeah, I understand that in Cali people won't blink at anything less than an R8 but I live in Chicago and imagine the number of nice cars cruising around is much less around here. Winter is a bitch and challenges us car-nuts to try and not destroy our cars during those months (potholes, road salt, etc).
I used to live in NJ, so I know what you're talking about. My cars looked worse after 3 years there than after 10 years in CA, and I had no interest in owning a really nice car there because I didn't have a place to store it for the winter.
12-03-2013, 05:11 AM
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Wow - thanks for the responses guys!
Took a Demo RS5 for spin today - really impressive for such a heavy car. The sound was really sweet - I couldn't stop doing the manual down shift!!! It's certainly not in the same league as the Turbo from an acceleration point of view - the butt dyno doesn't lie!
Loved pretty much everything about the car with the exception that it doesn't come with adaptive suspension? I really like this feature on the Porsche. I see you can get it as an option in Europe? I played around with the different driving modes a bit - it's a nice feature that would only be better if the suspension changed as well. From what I could tell - all it does is change the assist on the steering and the throttle map?
Took a Demo RS5 for spin today - really impressive for such a heavy car. The sound was really sweet - I couldn't stop doing the manual down shift!!! It's certainly not in the same league as the Turbo from an acceleration point of view - the butt dyno doesn't lie!
Loved pretty much everything about the car with the exception that it doesn't come with adaptive suspension? I really like this feature on the Porsche. I see you can get it as an option in Europe? I played around with the different driving modes a bit - it's a nice feature that would only be better if the suspension changed as well. From what I could tell - all it does is change the assist on the steering and the throttle map?
12-03-2013, 05:41 AM
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Audi knew that continuing the V8 S5 will eat into the RS5 market, so they stopped making the V8 for the S5. Removing the V8 in the S5 just before rolling out the RS5 was no coincidence. So, I do not agree the V8 S5 was an artificial differentiation from the 4-cylinder A5, but the V6 S5 is another story since both the V6 supercharger and 4-cylinder turbos are not naturally aspirated engines.
Here's a link to all the engine trims of the A5 on audi.de. You get S-tronic and everything. As I stated before, Audi "S" models these days are simply an engine trim with a bit more focus on Sport. In the US market Audi is artificially differentiating the A5 from the S5 in order to not cannibalize sales.
http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwa...or/benzin.html
http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwa...or/benzin.html
12-03-2013, 06:06 AM
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Then just get the S5 which is already supercharged... Or wait for the next-gen B9 RS5 which is expected to be a twin-turbo V6. I don't think the current RS5 makes sense quite frankly - way too heavy (particularly in the front), unimpressive torque, lack of adaptive suspension, etc. It should all be addressed in the next-gen RS5.
For something that's available sooner, I would just get the new BMW M3 or M4 unless you really need AWD. The weight reduction on those is amazing, engine with great specs, handling is expected to be superb, etc.
For something that's available sooner, I would just get the new BMW M3 or M4 unless you really need AWD. The weight reduction on those is amazing, engine with great specs, handling is expected to be superb, etc.
12-03-2013, 06:47 AM
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Weird... Never happened to me in NorCal, and I've driven all over the place in my S5. Also, I think only Audi aficionados would notice the subtle differences between A5/S5/RS5 or care. The R8 is something special which is very noticeable, so I can see how it would get attention.
By the way, I'm still waiting to encounter any women who care much about cars or would drool over an RS5... I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm yet to meet one. All the women I know have pretty much zero interest in that, find it boring, and consider guys showing off in sporty cars to be silly. Just my experience...
By the way, I'm still waiting to encounter any women who care much about cars or would drool over an RS5... I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm yet to meet one. All the women I know have pretty much zero interest in that, find it boring, and consider guys showing off in sporty cars to be silly. Just my experience...
BTW the S5 is not seen as a Corvette or Porsche. It is seen as something different. So boy racer does not apply.
12-03-2013, 08:13 AM
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Audi knew that continuing the V8 S5 will eat into the RS5 market, so they stopped making the V8 for the S5. Removing the V8 in the S5 just before rolling out the RS5 was no coincidence. So, I do not agree the V8 S5 was an artificial differentiation from the 4-cylinder A5, but the V6 S5 is another story since both the V6 supercharger and 4-cylinder turbos are not naturally aspirated engines.
12-03-2013, 04:25 PM
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Private sale is the way to go almost always... Trade-in values are inherently lousy... Some people say trying to sell the car to a dealership that sells the same brand (Porsche in your case) works better even if you don't buy a new car from them, but that hasn't been my experience. They all seem to offer black book or less, and that's typically a lot less than what you can sell it for privately if you're ok with going through the hassle.
The one thing to keep in mind is that dealers will usually apply the trade-in value BEFORE applying the sales tax. This can mean the effective reduction can be an additional 0-7% of your trade-in value. This can make a big difference in whether private sale is worth it.
I would not trade-in though if I was coming from a different brand. Dealerships can never offer as high of trade in values when they don't sell that brand, and the tax benefit on the new car is usually not enough to recover most of the delta.
12-03-2013, 04:40 PM
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The one thing to keep in mind is that dealers will usually apply the trade-in value BEFORE applying the sales tax. This can mean the effective reduction can be an additional 0-7% of your trade-in value. This can make a big difference in whether private sale is worth it.
I would not trade-in though if I was coming from a different brand. Dealerships can never offer as high of trade in values when they don't sell that brand, and the tax benefit on the new car is usually not enough to recover most of the delta.
I would not trade-in though if I was coming from a different brand. Dealerships can never offer as high of trade in values when they don't sell that brand, and the tax benefit on the new car is usually not enough to recover most of the delta.
Based on my experience, whether the dealership sells the same brand or not has no bearing on the quote you get from them for your trade-in, but that's just my anecdotal experience.
