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Old 01-12-2008, 07:05 AM   #1
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I grew up salivating over the old Ferrari BB512 and the original Ford GT. Now I am ready to find a similar mid-engine coupe. Until the R8 was announced, it was between the Ford GT and a Porsche GT3 or Turbo. It is hard for me to justify that kind of money for a 6 cylinder car even if the performance is similar. So, without an opportunity to even sit in either car, I am leaning towards the Ford or the Audi. I read the 360 v R8 thread also, and though I love Ferraris, I don't think I could stomach the maintenance costs.

Any advice would be appreciated. Bonus points for a nice high rev engine sound, reasonable maintenance costs, and resale value.
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If I'm not wrong a car magazine did a GT vs R8 comparison...now if I could just remember which... help, someone?

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I guess with the price difference I never thought about it. I have a good friend who has an '06 GT. I can tell you that he would not trade on an R8, period. He drove a 430 recently, and though he thought the car was really tempting, it was not worth a full 60k more.

The GT is a very, very well done machine. My only complaints would be that the A-pillar is really big, and the doors are a bit of a pain. It is REALLY fast. It is tunable to the point of being ridiculously fast. He had it at VIR with ACNA last fall and will be there this spring too. I was amazed at the fact that he could gain time on me in corners with me driving a Lotus - 1400 pounds less. I could go deeper into brake zones, but I was braking at 125 and he was braking from 150+! (his is completely stock). The GT is more raw, none of the comfort crap on the R8.

He has mentioned that the V12 TDI could be a contender. The GT is a lot of car, and a bit of a bargain in it's price range. There has been almost no depreciation though, so you are in the 150+ range. I think it is one of those things where you would just have to drive them both to know.
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Old 01-12-2008, 02:01 PM   #4
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Default Since you are considering a GT then obviously used (sorry PRE-owned) is acceptable...

have you considered an 04-05 Gallardo. Given the mark-ups on the R8 you could probably get one cheaper than the Audi and you get a V10. I've mentioned it before on this forum and I am considering it myself (especially after researching the yearly maintenance costs). That being said, I saw my first R8 on the road today and it was stunning in person.
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Default GT is a way cool machine, but you are talkign kit-car feel vs. fine German luxo machine. If you

don't mind the GT interior and general feel, just buy a Viper and eat GTs for lunch with a warranty.
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Default Re: Since you are considering a GT then obviously used (sorry PRE-owned) is acceptable...

Great, confuse me more why don't you? I didn't know those could be had for less than 200k.

There is the problem of the nearest dealer being at least 200 miles away, so service would be inconvenient at best. Also, I'm not sure I want a car that gathers a small crowd wherever it is parked.

Still, it is a great idea. 120-130 is in range now, 150-160 is a couple years off. That adds the V10 R8 to the list as well. If most thought that was the way to go I was going to see about putting a deposit down. More food for thought. Thanks.
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Thanks for your input. I doubt I will be able to even sit in either before I buy, so any other thoughts would be very helpful.
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Why kit-car? The build quality looks stellar to me. If you mean interior, that was one concern of mine. Years ago I was looking at Mustangs, but could not get past the look and feel of the interior. I don't need many features, but a quality/solid feel and look is important. The pictures I have seen of the Ford GT look fine to me. Can you be more specific?
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Default I'm betting the R8 will draw just as big a crowd when you park it.

I hear what you're saying about getting it serviced. There's two Lambo dealers within 50 miles of (one within 15 miles) so service wouldn't be an issue. If you search Carsdirect or cars.com you'll find a pretty good selection of 04-05's in the $130k range. What surprised me was the maintenance costs. 7500 mile service is $900 and 15k mile service is around $1800. I had expected them to be 5 times that much. I'm sure that's Audi influence.
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Default The sub 130 range is limited...

to P-cars (GT3, Turbo), Ferrari 360, V8 Vantage, '04 Gallardo. And R8. The R8 is a solid match for any of these. Oh, you can get a Ferrari 550 too.

When you go to the less than 160 range, a lot of things start to come up. The '06 Gallardo adds a lot of little options that you didn't know you wanted, like a better clutch and the front raising system and better transmission. The GT is there too. If you are into open tops, the 360 spider. You are into V12 Astons (used), and you can have your pick of 550/575 front engine Ferrari's (sorry, still no 430 or 599). This is a huge list of cars!!!

The great thing is, the R8 still competes with these. When you look at it that way, it is a real bargain. My advice... Order the R8, enjoy it. For the money, you cannot go wrong!
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Default The GT interior has some cool toggle switches & the silver is a nice finish, but you just get a

non-production feel from it. Kind of like maybe you are in a low budget Spyker or some other kind of super low production car. Just does not have the polish of a higher production major manufacture interior. The GT interior is racy (the seats are very interesting), but honestly it is not nearly as slick and nice as the current Viper interior. Not an issue for an aggressive 2nd car, but as a daily driver it is so far from luxurious like I am guessing the R8 feels.
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Default should be able to sit in either......

i agree with above...completely different cars. I've been in both, but never driven....THe GT...sounds like a beast...raw power, no refinement...the R8 completely opposite...a bit underpowered for its competition, but a very well put together machine that could be used as a daily.....

cruised for a while with the guy in the GT, me in my RS4...the GT sounded like no other car I've been behind....
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Hopefully I can help you. I've had a 2006 Ford GT for some 6 months, and have an R8 on order (hopefully will get it in 3-6 months). I've never driven an R8, but have sat in 3 different ones.

As far as collectability and lack of depreciation: They stopped making the GT a year or so ago after 4000. With no replacement model from Ford, they are appreciating in value, certainly not depreciating. I am confidant that will remain. On the contrary, I suspect the R8 will eventually depreciate like most sports cars, particularly if Audi makes a V10 version, or even a V12 version, and especially if Audi continues making the R8s for many years to come. People always want the latest sports cars, so older models that are replaced or improved upon typically depreciate when the replacement model comes. Look at Ferraris from 6-10 years ago - typically 1/2 the list price or so. Would favor the GT hands down here.

Driveability - the Ford GT is actually very easy to drive at both low and high speeds. It does not have traction or stability control. I was quite concerned about this at first, especially having no formal driving training. It is afterall 550-600 hp. To my surprise, I really have had no issues in control. I have even taken a high performace school with it. It handles wonderfully at 10mph or 90mph. The GT is much better driving around town than I anticipated. Yes, it is difficult getting in and out because of the door design, but so what. Once you are in, you are in. It has a big blind spot when driving, but I suspect the R8 will too. The GT is amazingly fast on straight aways. It is pretty easily tuned to close to 600hp. Having driven a Ferrari F430 and GT3, the GT is much quicker. The steering and brakes are very responsive and the shifting very smooth. Again, I have not had the privilege to drive an R8. An aquaintance who has driven the R8, loved it. That's as close as I've come.

Comfort- I have sat in 3 R8s, though never driven one. At 6'5" tall, the R8 is more comfortable for me, with more head room. I had to have my seat lowered on the GT about 1 1/2" for more adequate head room (easy to have done by the way). The seats in the R8 are more comfortable for me too as I think they are little wider, and move in more directions. The seat on the GT only goes forward and back, and the back tilts. It does not go up and down. A shorter person may not like it, nor would a very tall person wihtout modifying the seat bottom. The GT has a little more leg room than the R8. Here, I favor the R8

Daily useage possibility- GT has no navigation system, no blue tooth, no backup camera, no traction control, less airbags and less storage space. Would favor the R8.

Exterior Styling - purely subjective. I am surprised at the great responses the GT elicits when parked along side some wonderful other exotics. I've had it next to a Ferrari F430 spider, Porsche GT3, Lambo etc... and most people seem to prefer the GT. It is very masculine. My wife likes it more than she thought she would. I also like the R8 quite a lot too (hence why I ordered one). I think of the GT as more pure muscle and adrenaline, and the R8 as a more refined sports car (perhaps like an Aston Martin is). To each his own.

Interior styling - also quite different. The GT was designed to be quite spartan. There are magnesium alloy dash face, tunnel and door panels. The dash is quite minimalistic with a few toggle switches only. The leather on the seats is a lower grade leather than most European cars, but it's an interesting design seat. The R8 is more refined, and less raw. Lots of switches, buttons, and gadgets. A busier interior, though also quite nice. Again, I think this is a matter of opinion only. The GT is really growing on me with its minimalistic approach.

My conclusions are if you are looking for something to drive fairly regularly, I'd probably get the R8. If you are looking for something that may be more unique, and likely to either appreciate in value or certainly not depreciate, get the GT. Or better yet, get both if you can.....

For more info on the GT, see the best users group website I've encountered on cars : www.fordgtforum.com
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Old 01-23-2008, 04:42 PM   #14
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Default Thanks all. Decision made.

I decided that even though the Ford is probably a better (or not as bad) investment than the Audi, I would get more seat time in the R8. Now I am number 2 on our dealer's list for a V10 R8, behind a guy who also has a V8 coming in case the V10 will not be made.

Thanks again for the insight. Lets hope they make the V10.
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