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Old 07-13-2003, 08:08 PM   #1
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Default What damage can happen to the engine when ran with low oil pressure? (and AOA buyback question.)

My car went into the shop for low oil pressure.
They just changed the oil and sent me on my way (despite the fact I had already changed my oil the day before, after the light came on.)
Then 4 weeks later on an 800 mile drive home the light came on again..but before it came on there was noticeable knocking noise.

And I had been hearing a spraying/grinding noise since the oil pressure light came on the first time, that was now sounding permenantly when it had only been on occasionally before the drive home.
My car broke down in DC. Had to have it towed to a dealership there..then to a dealership back in NJ.

I'm really afraid of damage that has been done to the engine. I want to negotiate a buyback of the car (not sure how it would work..its a lease) with AOA.
The car has spent about 6.5 weeks in the shop since christmas. And has had a MAJOR problem everytime I have tried to come home.

What damage could have been done to the engine? Valves, lifters, etc..?
And what are my chances of a buyback, if they know I am still interested in another Audi product.
If they won't agree to a buyback, or compensation for all the lost time and stress due to the car they can forget anyone in my family ever buying an audi again (we currently have an 01 a4 and an 01 A6 2.7t, both of which will be off lease next year. My mother was looking at an A8L, until all the BS with my car).
Maybe EdP could be able to answer the last part?
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Default Massive failure of engine systems.

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Default yeah..but I mean over the course of about 1800 miles or so

Probably more..I was driving alot, with no indications of it. Since I thought they would have fixed it the first time

Just excessive wear on the engine, from the low oil pressure? Or worse, more specific damage?
I need specific ammunition for my phone conversation with AoA
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Default Sounds like your local shop really screwed the pooch...

They should have pulled the oil pump. This could get ugly.
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Default Yeah..I won't give the first dealer's name yet

But if AoA wants to try and screw me
I will be quick to post details
Especially since I told the first dealer i suspected it was the oil pump
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Default I would expect premature bearing failure.

Crank bearings, rod bearings, cam bearing, etc.
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Default Actually, if they don't buy it back, you should sue them.

check your local lemon laws.
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Default second that. i know for a fact, on the mitsu engines oil

starvation causes spun bearings which result in at least a short block rebuild. major $$$$$$$

sorry dude...
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Default oh..I'm under warranty..I just want to know what exactly to expect

when I call AOA
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Default Im out of the mileage

Im at 37k/2 years 1 month
NJ lemon law is at 18k/2 years (whichever is less)

but, if they don't
We will raise hell
I'm still willing to right this off as a bad experience and get into another audi, but if they try and make me bend over here, NEVER will anyone I (or my mother) have influence over buy another audi

And the fact that my mother manages a few thousand people earning mid six figures usually has a pretty good impact
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Default a **** fest resulting in a lawsuit.

i can tell you that w/o even owning an audi.
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Default I'm afraid thats what it will come down to

I would like to avoid that
However a ****fest ending in a lawsuit would allow me to pick up a different brand car and badmouth audi to anyone who will listen
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Default If it's under warranty, they'll replace the engine.(long)

Dealerships aren't in the business of compensating for "mental anguish" or things like that, so you're better off not even asking if you don't want to get laughed at. As for what kind of damage low oil pressure causes...

Spun engine bearings, scored cylinder walls, scored or wiped cam lobes. Really, pretty much anything in your engine that comes into contact with oil can be damaged. Spun rod bearings can result in the piston letting go and punching a hole in the block.

Cars really should come with oil pressure gauges as standard equipment. By the time the idiot light comes on, it's already too late, and you're getting a new engine or car.
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Default yeah..I'm not even bothering with the dealer(s)

we went straight to AOA
and I'm not talking mental anguish
I'm talking getting stranded in the middle of an 800 mile drive, while I was going home to catch a flight

I have a feeling they won't replace the engine
And even if they do
I can't wait weeks while they do it
Its already spent enough time in the shop, and we aren't settling for anything less than a trade-assist.
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Default Well, what I meant was, they aren't going to pay you for your time.

They'll fix the car under warranty, but that's where their obligation ends.
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Default Eh..that is NOT where it ends

One way or the other I am done with this car

If I have to file suit I will

I dont' expect to be paid for my time
However I shouldn't have to pay for a POS, when they won't even give me a loaner car
And even if they did
I'm not paying 400/month for a fvcking 93 golf with 120k on the odo
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Default It technically is where it ends.

Granted, it would be a nice gesture to work with you on buying the car back, or putting you in a new one. I'm also not saying that you shouldn't pursue it as much as you can. All I'm saying is, don't expect them to roll over for you. They'll do everything they can to get by with the bare minimum. Have you had a lot of problems with it before?
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Default Yup..its spent well over a month (probably closer to 2, gotta check records)

in the dealer's hands since christmas

and now the dealer really screwed the pooch by not replacing my oil pump and causing that much potential damage
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Default why would they buy the car back when a replacement engine is cheaper?

Get off the entitlement wagon.
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Default typically, you have to do something to activate the lemon laws

You can't just say that now this is it and claim all the retroactive problems. You have to give the dealer a "last chance", etc.

After 3 years, no lemon law is going to help you.

And since you're past your warranty, you're entirely at the mercy of them and how much they want you as a customer.

You are making a huge mistake going straight for AoA. First of all, if the dealer makes a mistake, often the dealer has to pay for the engine and AoA isn't even involved. Second of all, it is going to make you look like a demanding ***. This is something you will have to work to overcome.

Although I don't wish car trouble on anyone, I would never ever want to be in the car business in the US.
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