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Old 11-04-2013, 05:50 AM   #1
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Default 3.0 TFSI vs TDI

I buying car for the first time.

I am contemplating between gas and diesel.

Yearly, I don't think I would drive more than 10k-12k . mostly in the city.

Which is better? (some may say 2.0 but I def like the 6 cyl even if I am driving on highway not that often)

Maths suggest that I will save only about $20 bucks a month on gas so will take 8-10 yrs to get the price difference back.

Should I consider any other costs between diesel and gas?
Is diesel better than gas engines in long run (5-7 yrs)?

any help would be appreciated.
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:51 AM   #2
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Old 11-04-2013, 06:21 AM   #3
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It is a good price. A 6% discount is extremely good for Audi.

But since you state you do city driving, the 3.0T might be the wrong choice. It consume the most fuel in city driving, although slightly midiated by using the start stop system.

Just study the city EPA numbers for the various models before pulling the trigger. The 2.0T might be the best cost / efficiency due do the premium purchase price of the 3.0T and TDI engines.
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TFSI vs TDI
TFSI or TDI is forever question that no one has found the right answer

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I buying car for the first time.

I am contemplating between gas and diesel.

Yearly, I don't think I would drive more than 10k-12k . mostly in the city.

Which is better? (some may say 2.0 but I def like the 6 cyl even if I am driving on highway not that often)

Maths suggest that I will save only about $20 bucks a month on gas so will take 8-10 yrs to get the price difference back.

Should I consider any other costs between diesel and gas?
Is diesel better than gas engines in long run (5-7 yrs)?

any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
I was in the same boat as you with comparing these two models. The biggest factor for me was purely cosmetic, followed by price. I really like the look of the S-line style bumpers/fog light surrounds but the only way to get that on the TDI was to get the full S-Line package, which adds another $4,000 on top of the $2,100 diesel option. I also prefer the look of the wood trim over the aluminum. Like your concern, I only drive around 20k miles/yr and I would most likely never acheive the mileage savings to offset the cost. After having the 3.0 TFSI for a couple of weeks, I would still make the same decision. However, there are folks out there who feel the same about their TDI and wouldn't give it up either. Like Spijun said, there's no perfect answer.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:39 AM   #6
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My wife made the choice to go 3.0T because she did not feel comfortable with a diesel. She also prefered the look of the S-line bumpers to non S-line. I did not argue on the point to much as diesel is hard to come by in my area. The majority of filling stations are petrol only. Something to consider.
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My wife made the choice to go 3.0T because she did not feel comfortable with a diesel. She also prefered the look of the S-line bumpers to non S-line. I did not argue on the point to much as diesel is hard to come by in my area. The majority of filling stations are petrol only. Something to consider.
Same here. The vast majority of gas stations in my area don't sell diesel. Out of 12 gas stations in the area, only 2 sell diesel, and it costs 11% more than Premium.
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that is so mind boggling from an european point of view.. I have never seen a station that wouldn't sell diesel, apart from travelling to the US.
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that is so mind boggling from an european point of view.. I have never seen a station that wouldn't sell diesel, apart from travelling to the US.
In the NY metro area, no problems at all finding stations with diesel. In fact, they are far easier to find than I would have guessed. I use an iPhone app called Gas Buddy that permits you to search by grade, and then by price and/or distance. Very easy.
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My wife made the choice to go 3.0T because she did not feel comfortable with a diesel. She also prefered the look of the S-line bumpers to non S-line. I did not argue on the point to much as diesel is hard to come by in my area. The majority of filling stations are petrol only. Something to consider.
That's really odd, aren't you in Dallas? Here in Austin almost all stations have diesel and most anywhere I've stopped on road trips have had it (or a nearby station did). Some stations with diesel don't advertise it on the price board, but maybe your area really doesn't have much... it would just be a little odd especially here in Texas with all the diesel trucks around.
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We went through the same decision in trying to decide between the 3.0T and the TDI. I really wanted to get the TDI, but once we sat down and looked at our driving patterns (mostly short trip city driving for 7-8 months of the year), we decided that the gas version was the way to go.

One big concern for me with the large amount of short term trips was that the DPF might get clogged and require replacement. You need to get some highway driving in on a regular basis to keep it clean but based on our driving patterns that wasn't going to happen. They have been having some problems over in Europe with this issue lately from what I have read. We could have made a choice to go out for highway cruises each week to solve that problem, but then again, going for extra unneeded trips kind of negated the increased fuel mileage argument for us.

Most of our trips in the fall, winter, and spring might only last for 10-15 minutes at a time in the city, which isn't nearly enough for the DPF to go through the cleaning process (regeneration). I talked to the salesman and a buddy who was a diesel mechanic and they both concurred. As a result we ordered the gas version.

Other people have brought up points as well about the availability of diesel in their neck of the woods. We wouldn't have that problem here, but there were other factors that made us choose the gas version.

To each his own.
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That's really odd, aren't you in Dallas? Here in Austin almost all stations have diesel and most anywhere I've stopped on road trips have had it (or a nearby station did). Some stations with diesel don't advertise it on the price board, but maybe your area really doesn't have much... it would just be a little odd especially here in Texas with all the diesel trucks around.
I am in a corner of Dallas were we do not have much truck traffic. They are around, just not convenient for the weekly fill up
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I buying car for the first time.

I am contemplating between gas and diesel.

Yearly, I don't think I would drive more than 10k-12k . mostly in the city.

Which is better? (some may say 2.0 but I def like the 6 cyl even if I am driving on highway not that often)

Maths suggest that I will save only about $20 bucks a month on gas so will take 8-10 yrs to get the price difference back.

Should I consider any other costs between diesel and gas?
Is diesel better than gas engines in long run (5-7 yrs)?

any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Have you test driven the 2.0T? You might be surprised how nice it is mated with the 8-speed tranny.
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I am in a corner of Dallas were we do not have much truck traffic. They are around, just not convenient for the weekly fill up
Weird, but okay then!
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