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Old 06-27-2014, 01:58 AM   #1
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I just saw this news from Audi....... https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/p...s_android.html


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Audi brings Android and iOS into cars
Intensive development work with Google and Apple
New functions available in the first Audi models starting in 2015
Milestone in smartphone integration


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Audi is bringing the Google Android Auto and Apple CarPlay software platforms into cars. Major functions will be integrated into the Audi Multi Media Interface (MMI) in the future.

“Our customers want to be ‘always on’ and use the services they know from their smartphones in cars as well,” says Prof. Dr. Ulrich Hackenberg, Board Member for Technical Development at AUDI AG. “In this regard, we are working closely with leading companies like Google and Apple. In the future, customers will be able to use the functions available to them on their smartphones via the operating systems in their cars as well. User friendliness and low distraction are important parameters for integrating these functions. Data security also plays a vital role. We are separating the vehicle-related functions from the infotainment features, thereby securing the data against unauthorized access. The customer has to give express consent for the use of data generated in the vehicle,” he continues.

Audi is the only premium automotive manufacturer to be a founding member of the Google Open Automotive Alliance (OAA). This cooperation was launched in early 2014 with the goal of integrating the Android platform and its apps into cars under the “Android Auto” banner. Initial results are already available in the form of services such as navigation via Google Maps and the streaming service Google Play Music.

Integration of CarPlay is also taking place through intensive dialog between the Audi development lab in Silicon Valley and Apple.

This close cooperation enables optimum integration of the two most widespread smartphone platforms into the Audi MMI. Customers will be able to choose at any time which of these platforms they wish to use in their cars.




Apparently Audi is updating MMI so the user may choose which InCar Operating System to utilize, Apple's CarPlay or Google's Android.


Does anyone know if this will be available to 2014 MMI owners?

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This is for the new models MMI , not for existing model MMI

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Major functions will be integrated into the Audi Multi Media Interface (MMI) in the future.
As the 4G LTE in the new A3/S3
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The news here is Audi is planning on incorporating Apple Car Play in addition to the Google in car system that Audi announced last January. In any case, the initial implementations would not be until MY2016 and it's not clear which models would first offer either or both of the systems. It's highly unlikely either could be retrofiitted to current models without extensive hardware and software revisions. We'll have to wait for further developments.
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Any possibility of a software update to bring CarPlay compatibility to older-generation MMI, as in my C7 S6? That would be so awesome.
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Any possibility of a software update to bring CarPlay compatibility to older-generation MMI, as in my C7 S6? That would be so awesome.
It is impossible, because it CarPlay for the Audi still does not exist.
When it appears you need new hardware. (4-5,000$ )
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It is impossible, because it CarPlay for the Audi still does not exist.
When it appears you need new hardware. (4-5,000$ )
Nothing is impossible if you have unlimited funds. For example, if I wanted to (I don't), I could swap out my A6 3.0T engine for a 4.2T. All it would take is lots of work and a huge amount of money.

When Apple Car Play/Google in car arrives, someone, somewhere, will undoubtedly figure it out and spend the money/effort to make the update. Will it make sense? Who knows - that's a different question.
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Nothing is impossible if you have unlimited funds. For example, if I wanted to (I don't), I could swap out my A6 3.0T engine for a 4.2T. All it would take is lots of work and a huge amount of money.

When Apple Car Play/Google in car arrives, someone, somewhere, will undoubtedly figure it out and spend the money/effort to make the update. Will it make sense? Who knows - that's a different question.
I think you misunderstood me. Of course it's everything possible
I know a man who has invested more than 15,000 euros ($20,000)to modifications to its A4

It's impossible now, because there is no CarPlay for the Audi now

When it appears you need new hardware. ($ 4,000-5,000 )
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I think you misunderstood me. Of course it's everything possible

It's impossible right now, because there is no CarPlay for the Audi now

When it appears you need new hardware. ($ 4,000-5,000 )
Why are you assuming new hardware will be required? CarPlay is only software that runs on QNX systems, which MMI is.....There may be an extra mic or two when they debut, but hardly a completely new system (apart from new software capabilities or as Audi says in the press release, "functions").....

After doing some research I found that it is very possible that the 3G+ MMI, which 2013+ Q5's have, will be able to be updated to accommodate CarPlay, and may be even a 4G update, but we'll have to wait and see till the system is actually updated......but I found nothing which would merit the notion that a new MMI would be required, at least not right now....

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Why are you assuming new hardware will be required? CarPlay is only software that runs on QNX systems, which MMI is.....There may be an extra mic or two when they debut, but hardly a completely new system (apart from new software capabilities or as Audi says in the press release, "functions").....

After doing some research I found that it is very possible that the 3G+ MMI, which 2013+ Q5's have, will be able to be updated to accommodate CarPlay, and may be even a 4G update, but we'll have to wait and see till the system is actually updated......but I found nothing which would merit the notion that a new MMI would be required, at least not right now....
FYI MMI system in the Q5 is outdated, it's the 2007
Explain why it is not possible to upgrade the software MY2009-2012, that is has functionality as MY2013-2015
MY2009-2012 has different hardware from MY2013 course software upgrade from MY2013 to MY2009-2012 is not possible - possible only if you replace the hardware

Software upgrade to 4G ?????? - You must be kidding. Please explain how (4G is 5-10 times faster than 3G)

Can you install Windows 8 on a computer from a 2007, maybe can, you can use it - not

PS: New hardware is probably on Nvidia-based MMI hardware, which was unveiled at CES 2014
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"Does anyone know if this will be available to 2014 MMI owners? "

Haha, yes, of course it will be. Just take your car to the dealer and he can replace it with a 2015 model.

All new hardware with a new CPU and new touchscreen and new whatever else will be required, that's obvious to anyone who has been following the telematics news this year. Of course, if Audi simply used a standard double-DIN radio package, you could update the "radio" instead of trading in the car. But that would negatively impact their sales.

Since the 2014 radio package complies to standards that were obsoleted in 2009 or earlier (i.e. when SDHC was obsoleted by SDXC)...really, we've got 2009 model year radios.

You might want to wait for the 2016 models though. Google is one of those companies that is always in need of adult supervision, an interesting contrast to Audi's parental mandates. I'd be surprised if the first year of their telematics package wasn't heavily revised by the second year. (Like Android, where "upgrading" any applet in the OS means buying all new hardware with an all-new OS, because none of it is modular.)
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The reason I was asking if this would be a possible upgrade (not a $5,000 one - as much as I'd want CarPlay in my S6, I'm not dropping that kind of cash to get it done) is because Pioneer has a firmware update for at least one of their systems to enable CarPlay. The system did not work with CarPlay before, but with the firmware update, it will.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ou+Already+Own

Not saying that Audi would do this, but I would imagine that it's technically possible if they want to do it, at least for newer-generation infotainment systems as are in the A8/S8/A6/S6/A7/S7/RS 7/A3/S3. If not, that's fine, but disappointing. My system is not 2005 or 2007-vintage technology, though (2011/2012?)
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Of course that's without any announcement from Pioneer as to what the update will cost. Don't they (like most brands) charge something like $200 a pop to update the maps once per year? As opposed to $75 for life 4x per year from Garmin, often the same Navteq sourced maps?

How old the technology is, depends on what's inside the box. "3G" cell? and date? or 2G? SD? or SDXC? Going forward these can be problems, as 2G gets discontinued, the same way analog (most car phones) got dropped. An old dedicated 3-watt analog car phone would outperform a 600mW cell phone every time, but the carriers wanted more profit.
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The reason I was asking if this would be a possible upgrade (not a $5,000 one - as much as I'd want CarPlay in my S6, I'm not dropping that kind of cash to get it done) is because Pioneer has a firmware update for at least one of their systems to enable CarPlay. The system did not work with CarPlay before, but with the firmware update, it will.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ou+Already+Own

Not saying that Audi would do this, but I would imagine that it's technically possible if they want to do it, at least for newer-generation infotainment systems as are in the A8/S8/A6/S6/A7/S7/RS 7/A3/S3. If not, that's fine, but disappointing. My system is not 2005 or 2007-vintage technology, though (2011/2012?)
I'm driving the Audi more than 20 years and have never seen or heard that Audi in existing models upgraded with software or hardware from new models
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Of course that's without any announcement from Pioneer as to what the update will cost. Don't they (like most brands) charge something like $200 a pop to update the maps once per year? As opposed to $75 for life 4x per year from Garmin, often the same Navteq sourced maps?
The firmware update (on a very expensive Pioneer head unit) is apparently free.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...527-story.html

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I'm driving the Audi more than 20 years and have never seen or heard that Audi in existing models upgraded with software or hardware from new models
OK.

On a related note, I found this to be interesting, affirming that it would require more than a firmware update to add CarPlay even if Audi wanted to do so (emphasis below is mine).

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In addressing the entry cost for aftermarket CarPlay support, Cardenas acknowledges that the current $700-$1400 range for Pioneer's NEX series is higher than many consumers would like to see. But CarPlay requires robust technology, and the multi-core processors, significant RAM and onboard storage, and touchscreens needed in NEX systems for the feature all contribute to driving costs up. Pioneer is certainly looking to bring down that entry price for CarPlay-compatible systems and drive further expansion of the technology, but the company understandably won't have anything to announce on that front until after the CarPlay firmware update is delivered to the first wave of Pioneer products.
Source: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/24/...lay-interview/
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A free upgrade is smart. (If only Pioneer were smart enough to mention that on their own web site as well.)

As to how expensive all the necessary guts must be....Yeah yeah, heard that one before. Apple and everyone else including the carriers keep telling me how expensive it is to make their cell phones, when other industry sources say the very finest phones cost ~$200 tops to make.

I know what I can buy a brand name Apple or Android 7" tablet for, so add in another hundred bucks for the car stereo side of things...Yeah yeah, right, a Carplay stereo must be terribly expensive. Same way their nav systems have to cost 10x what a Magellan or Garmin costs.

It's that plastic bezel that fairs everything into the dashboard. That's the component that costs so many hundreds of dollars to hand fit, mill, and polish. No, really.(G)

On the bright side though, I took advantage of TMob's "7nightstand" free program this week. An iphone 5s with service for a week, no catches. And I'm semi-impressed. Not with the tiny text on the iphone screen, or the memory limits or the sealed battery, but I'm impressed with the way that the iOS just does what it is told to do. Unlike Android, which always finds a way to go out to lunch. "Yeah, I know, you pressed something. Hold on and I'll get around to looking into that."

Didn't see that happen once on the iPhone. They might yet get my business.
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A free upgrade is smart. (If only Pioneer were smart enough to mention that on their own web site as well.)

As to how expensive all the necessary guts must be....Yeah yeah, heard that one before. Apple and everyone else including the carriers keep telling me how expensive it is to make their cell phones, when other industry sources say the very finest phones cost ~$200 tops to make.

I know what I can buy a brand name Apple or Android 7" tablet for, so add in another hundred bucks for the car stereo side of things...Yeah yeah, right, a Carplay stereo must be terribly expensive. Same way their nav systems have to cost 10x what a Magellan or Garmin costs.

It's that plastic bezel that fairs everything into the dashboard. That's the component that costs so many hundreds of dollars to hand fit, mill, and polish. No, really.(G)

On the bright side though, I took advantage of TMob's "7nightstand" free program this week. An iphone 5s with service for a week, no catches. And I'm semi-impressed. Not with the tiny text on the iphone screen, or the memory limits or the sealed battery, but I'm impressed with the way that the iOS just does what it is told to do. Unlike Android, which always finds a way to go out to lunch. "Yeah, I know, you pressed something. Hold on and I'll get around to looking into that."

Didn't see that happen once on the iPhone. They might yet get my business.
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I just saw this news from Audi.......

Apparently Audi is updating MMI so the user may choose which InCar Operating System to utilize, Apple's CarPlay or Google's Android.


Does anyone know if this will be available to 2014 MMI owners?
Maybe I should have held off ordering my new Q5 until after 2015. I would hope that possibly someone could release a hardware interface that links the iPhone to the MMI usb port and that would provide CarPlay support. But I sadly think this won't happen.
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A free upgrade is smart. (If only Pioneer were smart enough to mention that on their own web site as well.)

As to how expensive all the necessary guts must be....Yeah yeah, heard that one before. Apple and everyone else including the carriers keep telling me how expensive it is to make their cell phones, when other industry sources say the very finest phones cost ~$200 tops to make.

I know what I can buy a brand name Apple or Android 7" tablet for, so add in another hundred bucks for the car stereo side of things...Yeah yeah, right, a Carplay stereo must be terribly expensive. Same way their nav systems have to cost 10x what a Magellan or Garmin costs.

It's that plastic bezel that fairs everything into the dashboard. That's the component that costs so many hundreds of dollars to hand fit, mill, and polish. No, really.(G)

On the bright side though, I took advantage of TMob's "7nightstand" free program this week. An iphone 5s with service for a week, no catches. And I'm semi-impressed. Not with the tiny text on the iphone screen, or the memory limits or the sealed battery, but I'm impressed with the way that the iOS just does what it is told to do. Unlike Android, which always finds a way to go out to lunch. "Yeah, I know, you pressed something. Hold on and I'll get around to looking into that."

Didn't see that happen once on the iPhone. They might yet get my business.
No offense but you are just now realizing the power of iOS? It's not about how many gb, ghz, gigawhatever, it's about the user experience and nobody does it like Apple. Better late than never, some never realize
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No offense but you are just now realizing the power of iOS? It's not about how many gb, ghz, gigawhatever, it's about the user experience and nobody does it like Apple. Better late than never, some never realize
LOL it means 90% (or more)of the world's population that does not use iOS
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