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Old 04-01-2014, 02:13 PM   #1
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I received my new Automobile and Car & Driver magazines Monday. Both magazines had articles about the new Porsche Macan. The pieces, unlike the recent SQ5 "short takes" were expansive. Now, then, I do get that the VW group pecking order has Porsche above Audi. I even agree that if Audi is "premium" then Porsche has earned the designation of "super-premium."

But, both articles (moreso in the Automobile magazine piece) mentioned that the "donor" car was a Q5 and that 1/3rd of the Q5 remained in the Macan. A 2/3rds overhaul of the Q5/SQ5 is hardly trivial. And the price of the Macan even is S trim can easily be run up to $70,000+ without to many ticks of the optional equipment boxes.

If performance is worth mentioning, the Macan seems to be praised for its 5.2 seconds 0-100kph time. The Audi SQ5 does it in 5.1 seconds. The Macan S needs a package that costs an additional $1,290 to make the run time drop to 5.0 seconds.

The SQ5 (in the US) retains the Q5's ride height, while the US Macan will be lower (note, the European SQ5 is also lower, but the height is maintained for the US to allow Audi to keep the SQ5's designation as a "truck" thus helping the company with their CAFE ratings.)

Listen, before I go off on a rant -- really an unnecessary rant -- it just somewhat confuses and pisses me off that the write up of the SQ5, while generally positive and perhaps some would say complimentary, lacked a bit of the OOO and AHHH factor one would have expected for a real "hot CUV" -- ride height or no ride height drop.

Moreover, the ease at which one can get a Macan to soar toward $100,000 (MSRP) is breathtaking, whereas it is damn near impossible to get an SQ5 no matter how many options are tacked on to hit $70,000.

If Audi offers up the Sport Differential (torque vectoring) option next year (and holds the price to a number beginning with a "1"), I would think a "price dependent comparison test" between the two might point to the common origins of the two models, rather than dis by omission the Audi.

Hell yes, I'd take a Macan -- I might even consider buying one, but I know I would pay more, perhaps 5 figures more for better performance and perhaps even better lux, but I would at least want to make certain I knew from what "humble" beginnings (as if an SQ5 is humble) my Macan came from.

OH YEA: of course I'm on a minor rant, my wife has a 2014 SQ5 Prestige with the fine Nappa leather (red) option and that sparkly black panther paint with the shiny purple underwear.

After I get to drive her SQ5 the only car that doesn't feel like it's broken is my '14 S4.

If I had a magic wand, I would only want the SQ5 to have that fantastic 7-speed S-Tronic transmission. Other than that it seems like it IS a contender.

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Simple post is it is probably because the SQ5 is mostly a Q5 which didn't get a major redesign. Where as the Macan is new car in a new segment for Porsche.

I actually priced a Macan out at around $64k, that I could live with. Not too bad IMHO. But I'm scared of the service cost of an Audi. I'm terrified of the service cost of a Porsche! Also it seemed August was the soonest I would be able to get one.


Ron Kiino at Motor Trend did write a whole page article, basically about how much he loved the SQ5. And the whole team at MT mostly raved about how great the car was during the SUV of the year video on YouTube. So it did get some attention. And to be honest it was MT that drew my attention to the car. And I eventually ordered one. I wish I had pulled the trigger earlier but I wasn't sure about which one of my cars I wanted to replace.

You all have probably seen it, but here it is article online.
http://blogs.motortrend.com/1312_kii...the_night.html

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Posting with a phone is too hard I'll finish my thought later.

EDIT: I finished my thought above.

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Since the current Q5 is now in its 6th, going on 7th model year, the SQ5 probably didn't get as much press as a brand new model from Porsche.

I suppose when the next gen Q5 debuts there will be more coverage, write ups etc.
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Since the current Q5 is now in its 6th, going on 7th model year, the SQ5 probably didn't get as much press as a brand new model from Porsche.

I suppose when the next gen Q5 debuts there will be more coverage, write ups etc.
I have to agree.

To the OP, I also was wondering why you call the Q5 a CUV? I have looked all over the Audi site and can't find that reference anywhere. Are you saying your Q5 is a "cute" utility vehicle or am I missing something here?
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I thought CUV referred to a crossover utility vehicle. It does seem like most manufacturers like to give their entries other catcy titles like SAV etc.
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I have to agree.

To the OP, I also was wondering why you call the Q5 a CUV? I have looked all over the Audi site and can't find that reference anywhere. Are you saying your Q5 is a "cute" utility vehicle or am I missing something here?
The term CUV, I am led to believe, means the vehicle is not based on a truck but on an car -- those based on trucks typically get the name SUV.

Crossover Utility Vehicle seems appropriate for the SQ and the Q5's.

And, yeah, I get that the issue IS that is it a Porsche. At the S vs the SQ level (base), the SQ5 seems to be such a bargain for the performance, however.

I also understand you often do get what you pay for.
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While the Macan in either S or Turbo clothing is far far too expensive for what it is in comparison to an SQ5, you can't deny it is a serious performer that adds a lot, even if the S doesn't beat an SQ5 in 0-60. If the SQ5 came with optional sport rear diff and standard S-tronic, that would really be something. The 8sp autobox is about as good as it gets for a torque converter, but it just ain't the same. Also, for a CUV, the SQ5 is really a little more truck in comparison to the Macan. All that said, I wouldn't want to pay $70k+ for an equally equipped Macan S, and the Turbo with options is just nuts expensive for my finances. I like my SQ5 for what it is, but I have no doubts I would be happier with a Macan Turbo loaded up with options such as PTV, air suspension...
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I'd be very surprised if Audi ever offers the sport diff in the SQ5, but it sure would be fun to have for winter driving. This thing understeers like crazy unless you fake out the stability control. The 7 speed DSG would be great too but I've really warmed up to the auto, especially in manual mode. It's a very nice match to this engine. I do wish that they'd included a throttle blip on downshifts though.

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I think the terminology is as follows (from most off-highway capable to least):

-Four-wheel-drive: Ladder frame, four-wheel-drive always selectable in high and low (truck)
-SUV: Ladder OR unibody frame, available locking rear & center diffs (sometimes selectable), usually automatic torque sensing;
-CUV: Unibody frame, all-wheel-drive, transmission automatically selects torque diff, rarely if ever locking, more carlike suspension.

Then again, I could be wrong. Has happened a few times before.
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I like my SQ5 for what it is, but I have no doubts I would be happier with a Macan Turbo loaded up with options such as PTV, air suspension...
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The answer is simple: Porsche's higher class than Audi.
In Macan will be installed Audi TDI engine, but simply Porsche is higher class cars

You can not compare the Porsche and Lamborghini, both are sports cars but Lamborghini is higher class cars
Paying for the name and prestige

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Old 04-02-2014, 11:46 AM   #14
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. . .that Audi will offer the Sport Differential and I would see no reason that NOW they couldn't offer up the S-Tronic, too. The only reason the S-Tronic (at the time) wasn't offered was it had not yet reached the "durability" to withstand the uprated torque of the SQ5 V6.

And now for a little story regarding the adventure of getting an SQ5:

I have no idea if the remarks of one dealer mean much, but our dealer here in Cincinnati (the Audi Connection) says the issue with the SQ5 (and, indeed all of the Q5 models) is availability. Apparently (my interpretation) they can sell all they have in inventory and then some.

Data point: my wife actually ordered a Curvee Silver Q5 3.0T with Audi Side Assist and almost all of the things that make a Prestige model so named. She also ordered it with the "sport interior" in Chestnut Brown -- and I think she ordered upgraded wheels, to boot.

Well there was ONE SQ5 in inventory and for the hell of it, she drove it -- then drove the 3.0T Q5 and the SQ5 back to back (at two separate times, just to make sure there wasn't any comparison wow factor tainting her opinion.

The SQ5 that was in inventory lasted about a total of 6 days on the lot and it was brilliant black with the black alcantara interior and that was about it.

We tried to "locate" an SQ5 that somewhat came close to the Curvee Silver/Chestnut Q5, etc. The deal breaker was the car had to have Audi Side Assist and a red leather interior (someone showed her the S model guide), period, not negotiable.

We found a car in the Atlantic ocean (on a boat, actually) and it met the criteria -- the only issue was it was a Prestige model which did add to the price (not only that but it had Panther Black paint, which is something like $1,075 over the standard paint and about double the Curvee Silver).

At this point, smitten with the SQ5, it was damn the torpedoes, get the SQ5 Prestige with Panther Paint and Red Leather.

We got our mits on the car on the boat and all we had to do was wait.

Mean time the car my wife ordered came in -- it lasted less than 48 hours; sold to a dentist for his wife. Wam Bam thank you M'am.

Of course my wife is giddy over the SQ5 -- I mean the thing is very impressive, especially when you press the accelerator. She tells everyone about her cool new car and of course friends and co-workers check it out and some of them want Q5's for themselves. They go to the Audi Connection -- and, no inventory AGAIN, but "we'll do our best to locate one for you."

Rinse lather repeat -- perhaps Audi had no ability to forecast the demand for the SQ5 (let alone the Q5), because they come in, they get prepped, they go out no matter if they get in one or five -- head 'em up, move 'em out.

The sales manager says they could sell all they can get and then some -- he seems genuinely frustrated that he's got an "IT" car and no way to sell them (from stock).

We've always ordered our Audis (all 31 of them), so it seems somewhat odd that someone would walk in on a Saturday afternoon and expect to drive home in a car that easily tops $50,000. It seems folks don't discriminate -- they'll take whatever you got. Me? I wouldn't spend this kind of money if it was YOUR money and take delivery of a car "cause you have it on the lot at this time." What's the deal? At these prices, why not get the paint, interior and options YOU want, rather than what the dealer's buyer thought someone might like?

Beats the hell outta me.

I'm still willing to wager ON the sport differential being made available on the SQ5.

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. . .that Audi will offer the Sport Differential and I would see no reason that NOW they couldn't offer up the S-Tronic, too. The only reason the S-Tronic (at the time) wasn't offered was it had not yet reached the "durability" to withstand the uprated torque of the SQ5 V6.
Torque is not the reason, diesel 3.0TDI has a much larger and is made with S-tronic gearbox.
SQ 3.0TFSI 354 PS (260 kW, 349 HP) 470 Nm (346.65 ft·lbf)
Q5 3.0 TDI 258 PS (190 kW, 254 HP) 580 Nm (427.79 ft·lbf)

S-tronic transmission is only offered with a TDI engines: the 2.0 TDI (177PS), 3.0TDI (245PS, Torque: 580) and 3.0TDI clean diesel (258PS Torque: 580)
2011 years Audi has stopped producing model Q5 - gasoline-engine with S-tronic gearbox

All new Audi models come with an 8-speed Tiptronic
New models RS6 and RS7 have the same gearbox 8-speed Tiptronic
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At the S vs the SQ level (base), the SQ5 seems to be such a bargain for the performance, however.
Right that was part of the logic with me deciding to go with the SQ5 over the Q5, it seemed like a bargain for the performance. For the added power, I assumed the S model would be $10-15k more, like other base model to S model comparisons. But as always it's not an apples to apples comparison, since in many cases the upgrade to S is an entirely different engine. So when I found out the equally equipped SQ5 was less than $4k more, I jumped at the opportunity.
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Torque is not the reason, diesel 3.0TDI has a much larger and is made with S-tronic gearbox.
SQ 3.0TFSI 354 PS (260 kW, 349 HP) 470 Nm (346.65 ft·lbf)
Q5 3.0 TDI 258 PS (190 kW, 254 HP) 580 Nm (427.79 ft·lbf)

S-tronic transmission is only offered with a TDI engines: the 2.0 TDI (177PS), 3.0TDI (245PS, Torque: 580) and 3.0TDI clean diesel (258PS Torque: 580)
2011 years Audi has stopped producing model Q5 - gasoline-engine with S-tronic gearbox

All new Audi models come with an 8-speed Tiptronic
New models RS6 and RS7 have the same gearbox 8-speed Tiptronic
The article reviewing the RS7 in Car and Driver or Automobile mentioned the use of the S-Tronic in the S7 and said that transmission wasn't offered in the RS7 since the torque was too much for the then current version.

Are you saying, above, that all new Audis, regardless of performance intentions will be offered only with the 8-speed tip?

I have the '14 S4 with the S-Tronic and it is without doubt the best transmission I have ever had -- and since we also have a new SQ5 with the Tip, I can say, it too has the best TIPTRONIC I have ever had the pleasure to drive.

The S-Tronic in the S4 however is superior and I would think would be thus were it offered in other Audi models.

If the 8-speed tip is the new standard bearer, OK, this is just news to me.

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The article reviewing the RS7 in Car and Driver or Automobile mentioned the use of the S-Tronic in the S7 and said that transmission wasn't offered in the RS7 since the torque was too much for the then current version.

Are you saying, above, that all new Audis, regardless of performance intentions will be offered only with the 8-speed tip?

I have the '14 S4 with the S-Tronic and it is without doubt the best transmission I have ever had -- and since we also have a new SQ5 with the Tip, I can say, it too has the best TIPTRONIC I have ever had the pleasure to drive.

The S-Tronic in the S4 however is superior and I would think would be thus were it offered in other Audi models.

If the 8-speed tip is the new standard bearer, OK, this is just news to me.

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I agree with you S-tronic is excellent
I had before in A4 S-tronic and now in Q5

Due to the big problems with the S-tronic gearboxes (a problem with Mechatronic) is now pushing an 8-speed Tiptronic
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Of course you can get a new Q5 2.0 AND a super clean used 911 for what it would cost for a Turbo Macan...

I'll take a sporty SUV and a real sports car anyday over an an uber SUV.
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I agree with you S-tronic is excellent
I had before in A4 S-tronic and now in Q5

Due to the big problems with the S-tronic gearboxes (a problem with Mechatronic) is now pushing an 8-speed Tiptronic
I love Dual Clutch transmish', but coming from a GTI that got a transplanted mechatronic (under warranty of course !), I'm happy to have a very good slushbox in the Q line-up. It fits the vehicule very well (crosover)
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