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Old 07-26-2014, 07:24 PM   #1
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I really wanted to upgrade to a SQ5 but I made the mistake of trying a Macan... Now, a well equipped Macan S is too expensive and the more affordable SQ5 is not that amazing. :-(
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I really wanted to upgrade to a SQ5 but I made the mistake of trying a Macan... Now, a well equipped Macan S is too expensive and the more affordable SQ5 is not that amazing. :-(
hey, Yoshimura. The price of equipment on Macan is just outrageous.....
LOL.... did you try the turbo one ? more expensive....
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What about the Macan is so much better than the SQ5?


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I really wanted to upgrade to a SQ5 but I made the mistake of trying a Macan... Now, a well equipped Macan S is too expensive and the more affordable SQ5 is not that amazing. :-(
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The Porsche interiors are gorgeous. I love both the cayenne and new macan on the inside. Definitely a notch above the q5.

The exterior of the macan is nice, but it doesn't blow me away that much more than a pimped out sq5.

As always, you need to order the car the right way with options. And for most people, it would take over 70 grand to get the macan looking the way you want it.
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I really wanted to upgrade to a SQ5 but I made the mistake of trying a Macan... Now, a well equipped Macan S is too expensive and the more affordable SQ5 is not that amazing. :-(
I do not agree with you, was a discussion about it before

Depends , most of the additional equipment in the EU has the same or similar price.

Here are some examples

Audi MMI® Navigation plus 2.810,00 EUR
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) inclusive Navigation Module 2.951,20 EUR

Audi Digital radio reception and TV reception 1.335,00 EUR
Porsche TV reception including digital radio reception (DAB) 1511.30 EUR

Audi parking system plus with reversing camera 1,230.00 EUR
Porsche Park assist front and rear including rear camera € 1,309.00

Carbon Audi exclusive 1300.00 EUR
Porsche Carbon interior package 1309.00 EUR

Audi 3-zone deluxe automatic air conditioning 580.00 EUR
Porsche 3-zone climate control 368.90 EUR


Audi quattro is not satisfied the requirements of Porsche engineers, they have made a much better system
The only one in the world in this class offer Air suspension with self-leveling and height adjustment, including Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM)

If you compare Macan with SQ5, then Q5 can be compared with the RAV4, Mazda CX-7, Honda CR-V, ............

The truth is that it pays for name and brand. It is the same for all in life: electronics, clothing, shoes, jewelry, watches
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Air assisted PASM, better steering (the Q5 weakness) and an up-rated TDI might make the Macan worth $70k to me.

However, I'm not convinced it would be worth $20k more than my TDI with coilovers and better steering software. The Macan gives away significant utility, enough so that I start to wonder about just buying a car versus a CUV.
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+/- to each as usual. Macan has less cargo space, less rear passenger leg and head room. The rear seats don't recline. Cost a little more depending on options (though more considering they aren't discounted as much). It has better steering for sure, better ride quality, amazing PDK tranny, better fit and finish. Compared to at least the 3.0 TFSI SQ5 though felt less peppy. The macan's engine felt super smooth, but is so quiet it was almost boring. (Maybe that's why it felt slower to me despite similar power)For daily driving that is mostly in town or highway the choice for me was obvious. If I had a nice twisty cannon or mountain road to drive down everyday to work then maybe the Macan S. Never drove the Macan "Turbo" so can't comment on that, but of course the cost are much higher. Just my .02
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2015 SQ5 Premium Plus
Metallic paint
Carbon inlays
20" wheels
Tech Package
B&O stereo
Nappa leather

$60,100


2015 Porsche Macan S (options added to equal SQ5 in USA)
Metallic paint
20" Wheels
Sport Seats (partial leather)
Entry and Drive
Park assist (sensors) and backup camera
Automatically dimming mirrors
Panorama Roof
Roof rails plus crossbars
Front seat heating
3 Zone climate control
Lane change assist
PCM/Nav
Voice control
Bose Stereo
Online services

$66,615

With performance options (not available on SQ5)
Air Suspension
Sport Chrono
PTV Plus

$72,140


So for an equally built SQ5 vs Macan S, $6600 may be worth it for PDK, RWD biased AWD, steering, handling, and Porsche label prestige. The power to weight ratio is approximately the same. For me, I would have to get air suspension and that adds another $2700 putting it almost $10k more expensive than the SQ5. Bottom line though, the Porsche will perform better for $6-10k more than SQ5 but the SQ5 performs pretty well already. Either vehicle is a great pick for the enthusiast who wants some more utility from their fast car.
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2015 SQ5 Premium Plus
Metallic paint
Carbon inlays
20" wheels
Tech Package
B&O stereo
Nappa leather

$60,100


2015 Porsche Macan S (options added to equal SQ5 in USA)
Metallic paint
20" Wheels
Sport Seats (partial leather)
Entry and Drive
Park assist (sensors) and backup camera
Automatically dimming mirrors
Panorama Roof
Roof rails plus crossbars
Front seat heating
3 Zone climate control
Lane change assist
PCM/Nav
Voice control
Bose Stereo
Online services

$66,615

With performance options (not available on SQ5)
Air Suspension
Sport Chrono
PTV Plus

$72,140


So for an equally built SQ5 vs Macan S, $6600 may be worth it for PDK, RWD biased AWD, steering, handling, and Porsche label prestige. The power to weight ratio is approximately the same. For me, I would have to get air suspension and that adds another $2700 putting it almost $10k more expensive than the SQ5. Bottom line though, the Porsche will perform better for $6-10k more than SQ5 but the SQ5 performs pretty well already. Either vehicle is a great pick for the enthusiast who wants some more utility from their fast car.
Nice, informative comparison. For me, if I were to step up to the Macan, it would have to be the turbo - the performance difference between the SQ5 and the S is not enough for me to justify the difference in spend. But then again, a well equipped Turbo is $80k+.
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In Macan will be installed Audi diesel engine 3.0TDI 258HP , but simply Porsche is higher class than Audi

Macan S diesel 190 kW (258 PS) 57,930 Eur vs Q5 190 kW (258 PS) 50,800 Eur

You can not compare the Porsche and Lamborghini, both are sports cars but Lamborghini is higher class cars

Paying for the name and prestige
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Here's the comparaison for here in Canada... A difference of $19,000

SQ5 Tecknic - $70,723
Navigation
21" wheels
3% discount
Transport/Preparation
15% sale taxes

Macan S - $89,798
Infotainment Package (Navigation, Sirus)
Aluminum Roof Rails incl. Roof Transportation System
Panoramic Roof System
Automatically dimming exterior and interior mirrors
Reversing camera including ParkAssist front and rear
Porsche Entry & Drive
Bi-Xenon lighting system
Power steering Plus
21-inch wheels
3-zone climate control
Rear heated seats
14-way power seats with memory package
Brushed aluminium interior package
Voice control
Lane Change Assist
0% discount (They all sale at full price)
Transport/Preparation
15% sale taxes
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There will also be a huge difference in maintenance cost
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There will also be a huge difference in maintenance cost
I doubt the difference will be all that significant. Full disclosure: I drive a 2.0T Q5, my wife runs a Porsche 911 Carrera S cab. Our bills for basic maintenance (oil changes, interval service, etc.) aren't all that different. Hers is 6 cylinders vs. my 4, so obviously spark plugs & wires are more.
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I saw a Macan Turbo at the local dealership for about $90K I think the design is terrible.There were a couple of S versions for low 60's.
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Here's the comparaison for here in Canada... A difference of $19,000

SQ5 Tecknic - $70,723
Navigation
21" wheels
3% discount
Transport/Preparation
15% sale taxes

Macan S - $89,798
Infotainment Package (Navigation, Sirus)
Aluminum Roof Rails incl. Roof Transportation System
Panoramic Roof System
Automatically dimming exterior and interior mirrors
Reversing camera including ParkAssist front and rear
Porsche Entry & Drive
Bi-Xenon lighting system
Power steering Plus
21-inch wheels
3-zone climate control
Rear heated seats
14-way power seats with memory package
Brushed aluminium interior package
Voice control
Lane Change Assist
0% discount (They all sale at full price)
Transport/Preparation
15% sale taxes
That's a huge difference in cost $$$$$.
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The Macan's other problem is the Cayenne. As others noted, a solidly equipped Macan S comes in around $66k, and easily eclipses $70k with other nice-to-have options. A Cayenne diesel -- a more practical truck with a nicer interior that's also a good drive -- costs @$70k well equipped, and you'll get much more off msrp from the dealer than on a new and high-demand Macan.

I love my Q5 TDI, but the Cayenne diesel is insanely nice and I came very close to buying it instead.
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There's an old adage in the motorcycle world …

Question: "How fast do you want to go?"
Answer: "How much money do you have?"

Same applies here.
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Plus there is the exclusivity factor. Last year in the U.S. alone Audi sold 40,000 Q5's and much more internationally. Granted just a fraction were SQ5's, but the body style has been around for 7 model years, so there are a lot of them on the roads.

The Macan is new and will sell in much smaller numbers due to pricing, so you won't see as many on the road.

So if you want to spend the dough, you'll have a rarer vehicle at least initially.
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I drove both cars extensively before buying the SQ5, Most of what everyone said is true
The SQ5 actaully felt faster to me but I didnt clock them. The SQ5 interior and cargo was roomier and the back seat reclined which makes a huge difference in comfort. We almost bought the Macan however factoring full MSRP plus the higher cost versus supplier discount on the SQ5 we could not justify the Macan. Additonally the Audi dealer threw in Audicare. So we aree waiting for our SQ5 to arrive.
As far as the exclusivity I really don't care. I could buy either car so I based my decision on value. The same reason why I also have an Exploere Sport performance value...to me that is what matters.
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Wife is currently trying to decide between a Q5 3.0T and a Macan S.

The way I see it, the Q5 is more practical - more cargo space, more headroom in the back. The Macan is faster, more fun, with higher "coolness" factor.

The Macan is slightly more expensive to insure, maintain, fuel, etc. I expect servicing and repairs to be higher on Macan as well, just because of the Porsche badge. Maybe not huge differences, but over the entire timeframe of ownership, it all adds up. Still, these are not dealbreakers, IMO.

The biggest issue I see with Macan right now is that it's a first model year and the current crop of customers are guinea pigs. When you browse some of the Macan forums, you see a number of issues that pop up. Again, none of them are particularly serious. They're mostly annoyances such as an alarm going crazy, or wipers having a mind of their own, or washer fluid tanks leaking, poorly fitted body panels, fuzzy/out-of-focus reverse camera, etc. Eventually Porsche engineers will figure out the solutions, it's just a matter of time and how many visits to the dealer it'll take to sort it all out.

Then there's the price. Through her employer, my wife can get the Q5 at invoice price. The same does not apply to the Macan, so there is some initial price difference to be considered as well. Gotta pay to play, I guess...

Going for one more test drive this weekend of both vehicles to help her decide.
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