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Old 06-18-2014, 03:30 AM   #1
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Ok,

So I know it's a marketing ploy by Audi to offer "exclusive" features in certain models , such climate control cup holders, exclusive to the Q5 line.
And then there's the the virtual cockpit in the new TT :

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However, I wish they'd updated the "old style" MMI in the Q5 which looks like this :

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And swap it for the A3 touch MMI which looks like this:

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I just love the touch in the A3 and think that the joystick wheel is a step back in the Q5.
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Q5 uses the old A5/A4 platform from a 2007, and the new generation A3 2013
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Yes , understood, just wish they'd update it with the newer touch technology from the A3
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Yes , understood, just wish they'd update it with the newer touch technology from the A3
Simply because it is impossible to different hardware, different design ......
They should make a complete new center console
Then it should do the same in A4 and A5
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I would gladly pay money for the virtual display shown. Provided that it works reliably at -30 Celsius.

But if I had a minor gripe with the current MMI it is that the media connector is a) in the glove compartment not in the central console somewhere or even replacing one of the SD card slots.
b) isn't a standard USB ( ideally with the higher power availability to charge an Ipad)
and c) that there are not two USB ports.

Oh well....next time.
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Simply because it is impossible to different hardware, different design ......
They should make a complete new center console
Then it should do the same in A4 and A5
It's actually not impossible for them to do this (we're talking about German engineering here). Audi themselves say that they'll release exclusive features in certain models to make them "more attractive".
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It's actually not impossible for them to do this (we're talking about German engineering here). Audi themselves say that they'll release exclusive features in certain models to make them "more attractive".
I'm driving the Audi for more than 20 years and has never happened to Audi incorporate something from the new models in the old model
Maybe you can contact Audi Ingolstadt, who knows everything is possible
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Yes , understood, just wish they'd update it with the newer touch technology from the A3
And they likely will... for MY2016/2017 when the next-gen is released.
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And they likely will... for MY2016/2017 when the next-gen is released.
They almost have to - having non-touch at this point is just silly. My 2003 Accord had a nice touch screen with voice control. 10+ years later, to not have this in a luxury vehicle is just wrong.
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They almost have to - having non-touch at this point is just silly. My 2003 Accord had a nice touch screen with voice control. 10+ years later, to not have this in a luxury vehicle is just wrong.
My 2009 Odyssey had a terrible touchscreen, and the nav technology seemed even older than Audi's already-old system. Much prefer the Q5's system, other than I do miss being able to use voice to dial arbitrary numbers on the rare occasion I need to (unless I just haven't found how, looks like you can only call contacts via voice here).

And of course the "touch" MMI refers to the touchpad control and not an actual touchscreen, so if you liked directly touching the map, buttons, etc., then you still wouldn't get that here. But it should be more intuitive than the joystick, and adds handwriting recognition (not sure how "useful" that is in practice), not sure what else.

EDIT - The one nice thing about the Honda nav was that it was standard yearly DVD-based updates so you could update the nav (or not) each year instead of effectively never. That still seems pretty silly.
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They almost have to - having non-touch at this point is just silly. My 2003 Accord had a nice touch screen with voice control. 10+ years later, to not have this in a luxury vehicle is just wrong.
No to a touch screen - you can keep them - had one in the two previous cars - Honda and Lexus - and Audi's NO-touch screen is decades better. It's infinitely more comfortable to control everything on the screen from controls placed close to the driver, rather than needing physical access to the screen to be able to touch it
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No to a touch screen - you can keep them - had one in the two previous cars - Honda and Lexus - and Audi's NO-touch screen is decades better. It's infinitely more comfortable to control everything on the screen from controls placed close to the driver, rather than needing physical access to the screen to be able to touch it
Not to mention the oily finger prints it leaves on the screen which is absolutely distasteful especially when the light is just right - that is what I heard on why Audi doesn't do the touch screen
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There's a good reason my Audi will not do touch screen in the car as a user interface. In fact I saw a pretty lengthy video on YouTube from a guy who the Senior Manager for connected vehicles at Audi USA. He explains how they take user interface very seriously and how the touch screen will actually distract the driver from his natural driving position, with him having to reach forward from his natural driving position.

The touch wheel allows the driver to concentrate on the road while controlling the user interface, it's just like changing gear with your left hand and as you get used to it you will start being able to write without looking at what you're doing with your left or right hand.

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They almost have to - having non-touch at this point is just silly. My 2003 Accord had a nice touch screen with voice control. 10+ years later, to not have this in a luxury vehicle is just wrong.
You do know the current gen-Accord doesn't have a touch screen right? It is recessed for better viewing from the entire cabin, and is also controlled via navigation ****. This is also done for the exact reason as stated above; eliminating fingerprints and residue on the touch screen itself. Many automakers have flipped back and forth from touch/non-non touch as there are pros/cons to each.

The new BMW Nav is pretty darn amazing (it's in the newest X5) and is a super thin 7 inch display but they too have gone back and fourth on the design. Even Audi's pop-up nav for the A3 is actually old in terms of design, the pop-up nav was around years ago, in Infiniti and other luxury brands to conceal actually having the NAV in the first place, but issues arose with the motorized parts failing over time.

I can do with or without touch. What you should be looking forward to now is the dual-view monitor that shows the NAV to the driver but has an option for the passenger to see TV/Movies on the same screen based on viewing angles. That is where the innovation is at.
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You do know the current gen-Accord doesn't have a touch screen right? It is recessed for better viewing from the entire cabin, and is also controlled via navigation ****. This is also done for the exact reason as stated above; eliminating fingerprints and residue on the touch screen itself. Many automakers have flipped back and forth from touch/non-non touch as there are pros/cons to each.
To my knowledge this isn't true - the 2014 Accord has touch screen audio controls, and the nav, while it does have the navigation ****, can also switch to touch screen (audio has to be off I believe - you can google it), bringing up a keyboard and everything - the keyboard is SO much easier to use than *****/dials.

On another note, on the Accord forums, the removal of the full, always-on nav touchscreen in favor of this "hybrid" you could say, gets a lot of negative reviews. Most prefer the full touchscreen that has been on prior models.
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They almost have to - having non-touch at this point is just silly. My 2003 Accord had a nice touch screen with voice control. 10+ years later, to not have this in a luxury vehicle is just wrong.
The answer is simple, the European premium brands Audi, BMW, MB do not make cars with touch screen
If you want a touch screen in the car, buy some of the Japanese or Korean cars
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Yes , understood, just wish they'd update it with the newer touch technology from the A3
I have a similar touch pad in my A6 and frankly, I don't use it much. I find it kind of slow as she reads back each letter as it's entered. Also, since your attention is on driving, it's easy to "write" something incorrectly. I use voice control for just about everything on a daily basis. For example, Audi Connect/Google online destinations coupled with voice is well implemented.
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[...] the keyboard is SO much easier to use than *****/dials.
The keyboard entry on my Odyssey was absolutely terrible. I wish I could've had a **** to use instead, as entry was very imprecise and slow. By contrast using the MMI is pretty quick and I can do it without having to lean over/forward to reach the touchscreen. The only upside on the Honda side was I think voice input was probably better (supported voice entry where Audi doesn't or doesn't seem to), so you could sometimes get by with not having to use the stupid keyboard (if it was something the system would be able to figure out from pronunciation).
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I have a similar touch pad in my A6 and frankly, I don't use it much. I find it kind of slow as she reads back each letter as it's entered. Also, since your attention is on driving, it's easy to "write" something incorrectly. I use voice control for just about everything on a daily basis. For example, Audi Connect/Google online destinations coupled with voice is well implemented.
Well, if Apple Car Play was supported by Audi , that would solve a lot. Sadly
Audi is currently backing Google and an initiative called the Open Automotive Alliance launched in January 2014 at the CES trade show in Las Vegas.

The thing is, they've invested so heavily in their own UI and OS, that CarPlay will directly compete with that. I can't see what they can't do a hardware plug-in interface where the Airplay device hooks into the current screen and audio / voice recognition
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Well, if Apple Car Play was supported by Audi , that would solve a lot. Sadly
Audi is currently backing Google and an initiative called the Open Automotive Alliance launched in January 2014 at the CES trade show in Las Vegas.

The thing is, they've invested so heavily in their own UI and OS, that CarPlay will directly compete with that. I can't see what they can't do a hardware plug-in interface where the Airplay device hooks into the current screen and audio / voice recognition
I was at CES and have been following the info on both systems. While it would have been nice for Apple owners had Audi decided to support Car Play with Siri integration, I doubt they will remove the already existing Apple support via AMI which works fine with the current MMI tech. From what I can see, there will be very limited app support via Car Play and having Apple map data on the screen instead of the existing NavTeq maps is not necessarily a step up at this point.

In any event, the voice control that Audi provides is pretty decent and as I stated, I find I can control most functions hands free now w/o having to operate through a different voice system like Siri. And if I want to use Siri, I can do various functions now, i.e. speak and hear messages, I simply tap my Siri button on the iPhone through the MMI sound system. Not as elegantly integrated perhaps, but functional.
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