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Old 11-24-2013, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default TDI destroys 3.0T in 8th Gear Acceleration!

Excuse the dramatic title, but I was quite happily surprised with the 8th gear acceleration results I captured...

Recently I logged both a Q5 3.0T and my TDI on the same strip of flat, straight road, in comparable temperature, etc. Every test I did 2 passes in each car to ensure results were repeatable.

I did a handful of other comparisons (ie 0-60) which were all much closer than this one. I'll post about all of the results later, but wanted to get this one up now

This comparison was for the cars to be in M8, cruise control at 60mph and fully accelerate without kickdown, to 80 mph.

As you can see, the 3.0T makes it to 80 in an average of 15.1 seconds, while the TDI only takes 9.4 seconds!

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* I actually computed to 79mph since one of the runs didn't make it to 80. 79 was the highest common across all runs.

You can also note from the RPM graph data how similar the gearing is. They both have the same tranny, but the 3.0T has a 3.204 final drive, while the TDI has a 3.076. At 60mph, this results in 1484 RPM for 3.0T and 1425 RPM for TDI, hardly seems worth there being a different part. The largest difference would be about 175 RPMs at the highest RPM they have in common (~4500).

Bottom line, this resulting RPM range of 1500-2000 RPMs clearly favored the torque of the TDI

UPDATE: Here's the link to the post with all 4 comparisons:
http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?p=24512811
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And people called me crazy when I said this in another thread. (though i was saying the sq5 which has a much larger gearing advantage)

Thats the beauty of a diesel.
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The 3.0T you used has been handicapped by Audi who decided to detune it to 270hp. Still a very impressive result nonetheless. If only Audi made the diesel available in US spec SQ5...
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True, but the biggest advantage a diesel engine powerful torque which in this case is higher by 45% compared to the petrol engine

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The 3.0T you used has been handicapped by Audi who decided to detune it to 270hp. Still a very impressive result nonetheless. If only Audi made the diesel available in US spec SQ5...
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Hoping that we will see the TDI by the next generation SQ5 for the 2017 model year, then I am all in. I would think it would be since the Q5 has the TDI now.
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Wow, talk about "cherry-picking" data. Your test is in the proverbial "wheel house" of diesel strength. How does the TDI pull over 5000 rpm, or more specifically over 4750 rpm?
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Wow, talk about "cherry-picking" data. Your test is in the proverbial "wheel house" of diesel strength. How does the TDI pull over 5000 rpm, or more specifically over 4750 rpm?
I was thinking the same thing.

I do have to say though, Audi's power de-tuning approach on the straight 3.0T (as opposed to the SQ5 variant) makes it feel a little breathless and diesel-like as well above ~4,500.
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I was thinking the same thing.

I do have to say though, Audi's power de-tuning approach on the straight 3.0T (as opposed to the SQ5 variant) makes it feel a little breathless and diesel-like as well above ~4,500.
Yes, Audi even has the S4 tuned this way. Revo/APR can fix this trait.
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Wow, talk about "cherry-picking" data. Your test is in the proverbial "wheel house" of diesel strength.
I think I made both of those points clear in my post. Not trying to hide that by any means. I have 3 other comparisons I'll post as well. In all of those (or at least 2.5), the 3.0T outperformed the TDI. However the differences were much more subtle in comparison to this one, which led me to post this first. And because I have a TDI :P

I did not chose this test based on RPM (to favor the TDI) - I chose it based on a reasonable speed range (60-80mph) consistent with what some magazines test (I think 50-70) in top gear. In general, I'm not a fan of a top gear test as it favors the guy with the crappier-economy-geared vehicle. In this case, they have the same tranny and near identical final drives, so that wasn't such an issue. Also, this test came in part out of the video that was posted that claimed the TDI was "flat footed" on highway accel, for which there was some inference or we created one in that thread which tied to top gear.

Here's that post/thread:
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So yes I would have expected the TDI to outperform the 3.0T in this test, but after having driven both of them daily, I wasn't expecting the difference to be this great. All around, they seemed to perform quite similarly.

The other tests I'll post are (1-3):

1.) 0-100 in "S", ESP off, foot to floor (w/kickdown)
> Scenario: Fastest off the line (eg 0-60)

2.) 45-100 in "S", full throttle (w kickdown)
> Scenario: Similar to a common B5S4 testing range. Fastest possible from that starting point. Street-racer type comparison.

3.) 60-100 in "D", full throttle (w/o kickdown)
> Scenario: Highway passing; quickest in civilized (no "S" or kickdown) manner (ie wife/family in car)

4.) 60-80 in "M8", full throttle (w/o kickdown)
> Scenario: Top gear comparison.

Each car gets to pick their own gears for those tests so nobody can complain
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I find even in D if I floor it w/o KD it still drops a lot of cogs... The KD button is almost pointless as far as I can work out!
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I find even in D if I floor it w/o KD it still drops a lot of cogs... The KD button is almost pointless as far as I can work out!
I haven't paid enough attention to tell how it functions in the TDI. In my A3 2.0T DSG, it would make a big difference. Part of it may merely be the RPM range being smaller on the TDI there are less gearing options, so it may require a more specific range for one to see a difference.

Something else for me to test
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I'm not surprised by your findings (although I've not driven the 3.0T, when I got my TDI in August, I was blown away by the roll-on acceleration, and the lack of noise/strain from the diesel. I know it's where the strength of the diesel lies, but still, I was thoroughly impressed.
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Good show that the TDI has less need to downshift, which is of course one of the things that gets brought up (how the TDI has no passing power or needs to downshift a lot, which is backwards because you need to be in a lower RPM range to have your power.

If you're kicking back in D then the TDI should be in its element. If you're controlling the shifts in M then the HP of the 3.0T can come into play. Obviously this year isn't representative of what a driver would realistically be doing, but it refutes those inaccurate statements nicely.

Just need the TDI S so the diesel can destroy absolutely everything.
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I'm not surprised by your findings (although I've not driven the 3.0T, when I got my TDI in August, I was blown away by the roll-on acceleration, and the lack of noise/strain from the diesel. I know it's where the strength of the diesel lies, but still, I was thoroughly impressed.
I too was taken aback when I drove the '14 TDI when I was having my '13 3.0T serviced. I ended up trading the latter in on the former and have not looked back.
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I too was taken aback when I drove the '14 TDI when I was having my '13 3.0T serviced. I ended up trading the latter in on the former and have not looked back.
For what reason? How long will it take you to make up the price difference between the two in the fuel savings?
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For what reason? How long will it take you to make up the price difference between the two in the fuel savings?
For what reason? Did I ask why you purchased the vehicle you did? Really none of your business that you should know my purchasing decisions. My response to the original post had nothing to do with $$. Purely subjective on my part and I do not filling my tank every 600 km.
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For what reason? How long will it take you to make up the price difference between the two in the fuel savings?
Who said anything about making up savings? He said he liked how it drove more.

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I'm not surprised by your findings (although I've not driven the 3.0T, when I got my TDI in August, I was blown away by the roll-on acceleration, and the lack of noise/strain from the diesel. I know it's where the strength of the diesel lies, but still, I was thoroughly impressed.
If saving $ is your primary goal, you likely buy a 2.0T (or a used 3.2) and not a TDI, and certainly it's not advisable to trade in one Q5 for another.

The fuel savings is just a bonus on top of the way it drives. And of course there's likely a resale advantage as well.

Here's the fuel savings I had calculated based on prices of fuel in my area over the past year or so. Look at the legend and find the approx values you want to compare and see how much you save over 100k miles. If you use the EPA combined values for TDI (27) and 3.0T (21), you'll use the brownish-orange solid line and see a $3k-4k savings in fuel.
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And here are the corresponding fuel prices that I used to calculate that:

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^Again, impressive data. I drive about 25k mi/yr and plan on keeping the car for 5-6 years, so it may have been a difficult decision had the TDI been available when I was shopping last year. I will buy a next gen TDI Q7 to replace the Odyssey though.
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Call me Mr. Obvious but if a TDI didn't kill a 3.0T in high gear roll ons, there would be very little reason to pay extra for one. In other words, isn't torque the #1 attraction? Fuel mileage and range, in my book, would come in a very distant 2nd and 3rd. What's the payback on fuel mileage - 8-10 years?
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Call me Mr. Obvious but if a TDI didn't kill a 3.0T in high gear roll ons, there would be very little reason to pay extra for one. In other words, isn't torque the #1 attraction? Fuel mileage and range, in my book, would come in a very distant 2nd and 3rd. What's the payback on fuel mileage - 8-10 years?
Mr Obvious, look 2 posts up in this thread to see my graph of fuel savings. Then if you consider the price difference to be $2000-$2500 depending if you get S-Line or not, that could take as little as 50k miles (most likely do that in 3-4 yrs, some quicker or longer. I did 42k the first year I had my S4) to negate the purchase price difference. One can only speculate on the resale price difference as well, but presumably the TDI will hold it's value better, so it may be a much shorter period than that. Heck, the price may offset only after a few months of ownership (if one were to sell then).

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All that said, fuel mileage wasn't a distant 2nd for me. The attraction for me was that compared to my A3, I could get a bigger vehicle AND better fuel economy, while still having it fun to drive... and quattro. Without the diesel offering, I don't think I would have ever given the Q5 a serious thought. I had already denounced the price difference from our ~$26k-ish VW Tiguan... and then when I heard the 3.0TDI would be coming, then everything changed. Once upon a time I had considered the 1.9TDI MkV Golf for the fuel savings, but I felt it didn't have the fun driving appeal so I ended up with a 1.8T Golf instead. The 3.0TDI Q5 offers the right balance of all aspects I was interested in.
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