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Old 08-14-2014, 02:37 PM   #1
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We are looking to buy snow tire set for the Q5, has 19 inch wheels

Should we buy just the tire, and have those rotated out before and after each winter season? (I think to mount and balance is $10 for each tire so $80 total per season)

or Should we buy a tire + wheel set? these are cheaper to mount each time, but I am worried about the TPMS...will the TPMS be compatible with this snow tire/wheel set?

what have you guys done and the reason for that decision?

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If you have the physical TPMS sensors, it will be a pain as you either have to live with a warning light, or get new sensors and program each time you swap, or swap out the sensors.

With the new TPMS that monitors via the ABS sensors (or something to that effect???), you won't have to worry and can go either way.

I used to get a separate winter wheel/tire set and a summer wheel/tire set but I'm going to opt for swapping tires only.
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$10 per corner sounds cheap. It's probably more like $15-$20 to mount and balance.

There is no actual hardware-based TPMS on the newer Q5, so nothing to worry about there.

My plan is to get a dedicated set of 18" winter rims and winter tires for the wife's Q5. Both rims and tires are cheaper in that size vs 19". I'm hoping to be able just to swap the wheels myself in the garage when needed, but the older I get, the less fun this sounds, especially with the bigger/heavier Q5 wheels/tires. I do it on my 530i though.
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$10 per corner sounds very cheap. On my wife's Murano, I swap the tires on the OEM rims because of the hassle of the physical TPMS sensors in the wheels. It costs me $130 per season (with tax) for the swap. If you're planning on keeping the vehicle for a while, I would suggest dedicated rims for the winter tires as it is cheaper in the long run.

For my SQ5, I have a set of Blizzaks on dedicated Hartmann 20" rims (RS5 replicas). As mentioned in other posts, the TPMS sensors on the MY14 is in the ABS system rather than in the wheel. For 20" rims it cost me $1800 CDN, so I break even on buying the rims vs. swapping tires after about 6-7 winters (you're break even on less expensive rims would obviously be less, but I wanted the factory OEM look of the Hartmann 20" wheels!)
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I live in Northern California (20 miles or so south of San Francisco) and don't have to deal with inclement weather unless visiting our mountains, so take this for what it is. Seems to me with all the salt, sand & gravel, and other nasties out there during the winter season, having a cheap set of steel wheels is preferable to beating up your nice, pretty, alloy summer wheels. I've also been told, and this could be misinformation, that 18s are better in snow than 19s, and that a less wide tire (say, 215s over the stock 235s) is also preferable. YMMV.
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yes I just confirmed with my local shop, 10 per tire, so 40 each time

I have a 2012

I want to put snow tires cuz I do the Erie-buffalo stretch in the winter time
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The best way for sure is a set of winters on their own rims...cheap alloys in 17" and then put 235-65 17 Blizzaks or whatever winter tire works for you. 17 is the smallest rim that will fit a Q5. Note that what ever you choose the tires must be 102-103 load rated.
Obviously you could use 18" or 19" but that does make the set more expensive and a smaller choice of winter tires in 19"
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having a cheap set of steel wheels is preferable
I don't think you're going to find steelies for the Q5, but you can find inexpensive alloys. The only thing with the cheap alloys is that they typically start rusting fast when exposed to road salt, and once they rust, they may start losing air quickly.
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I don't think you're going to find steelies for the Q5, but you can find inexpensive alloys. The only thing with the cheap alloys is that they typically start rusting fast when exposed to road salt, and once they rust, they may start losing air quickly.
I use cheap alloys for snow tires on my 2013 Acura MDX (2 winters) and 2014 Audi A6 TDI and they haven't started rusting yet. So far they look fine,

Going down an inch or two will get you more traction. This and lots of other good winter tire info can be found at

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...ertesting=true

I have heard that repeated mounting and dismounting tires can damage the beads, cause them to leak, or fail. Don't know if it's true.
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given how sensitive the car seems to proper balancing, would definitely opt for separate wheel/tire sets. Remounting and especially rebalancing each year sounds like a nightmare to me. And for $10/wheel, would guess that it's not road force balanced.
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i dont mind spending the extra money initially to buy the rims also, if I go this route, since mine is a 2012, would I have to get seperate tpms sensors? Im thinking its going to be expensive to program each time
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since mine is a 2012, would I have to get seperate tpms sensors?
According to TireRack for your car:

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This vehicle relies on the wheel speed sensors in the hubs to monitor the tire pressure differences. Although no tire sensors are required, a TPMS reset is required so the vehicle learns the new tire overall diameters.
So no, you do not need separate TPMS hardware. And the "reset" they're talking about can be easily performed by the driver, AFAIK.
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We are looking to buy snow tire set for the Q5, has 19 inch wheels
This may be a stupid question, but I'm not above asking it . . . why would one need separate snow tires on the Q5 that already comes with all-seasons and AWD? I understand why for the SQ5 that comes with the summer tires, but not sure why this would be needed for the Q5, unless it's about not wanting to gunk up your rims with all the winter salt, sand, and sludge?

I live in CA, so don't have that issue currently, but in the past when I've lived in other states with heavy winters and was driving an SUV (4WD) with all-season tires, I never had a separate set of winter/snow tires.

I'm hoping to learn something here and am just curious . . . thanks.
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This may be a stupid question, but I'm not above asking it . . . why would one need separate snow tires on the Q5 that already comes with all-seasons and AWD?
If you ever get to drive a car that's equipped with proper winter tires, you'll realize how much better they handle the white stuff and icy roads compared to regular all-season (no-season) tires.

As far as AWD, well, it helps you get going, but it does nothing to help you stop or steer. Winter tires offer more grip in winter conditions, which translates to more confident steering and braking. TireRack has some comparative video on their web site to illustrate that.

My RWD bmw with proper winter tires handles winters a lot better than my wife's C300 4matic with all-season tires.

Bottom line is, you can get by with all-seasons and AWD if you take it slow, but you'll feel a lot more confident if you have winter tires. If you have to deal with snow and ice for many months out of the year, having dedicated winter tires makes sense. Sometimes their cost is no bigger than your insurance deductible if you were to crash.
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given how sensitive the car seems to proper balancing, would definitely opt for separate wheel/tire sets. Remounting and especially rebalancing each year sounds like a nightmare to me. And for $10/wheel, would guess that it's not road force balanced.
as you stated the Q5 is sensitive to proper balancing and it will cost a lot more to road force balance (most shops charge their hourly rate for road force balancing). Maybe the OP isn't that picky about having slightly shimmying and bouncing tires, not to say the scraped wheels from the mount/dismount.
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This may be a stupid question, but I'm not above asking it . . . why would one need separate snow tires on the Q5 that already comes with all-seasons and AWD?
All season tires are really 3 season tires.
All season tires lose most of their grip in the cold. From about 7 deg Celsius on down they become more like hockey pucks than tires. The inverse is true but in a different way. Real winter tires will wear fast in high temps and can overheat because of the soft rubber and tread patterns that are not optimized for running hot.
The AWD will get you going for sure but losing your braking performance on a 2 ton Q5 could be very expensive. Pure summer tires as fitted to an SQ5 just make it worse as they lose their grip at higher temperatures.

Living in Canada I'll be out shopping for winters in late September...I'll expect them to last 4 winters and to prolong the life of the OE tires by one summer.
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i want snow tires b/c the lake effect snow from erie to buffalo can be tricky....easily can get many inches of snow in a hurry
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i want snow tires b/c the lake effect snow from erie to buffalo can be tricky....easily can get many inches of snow in a hurry
Yup. Same thing in western Michigan with lake effect snow coming from Lake Michigan. Last winter snow started falling early November, and pretty much stayed on the ground until early May. Ugh...
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Thanks ex-quattro PETE (great videos!) and timlocke. I have learned something here that I never knew when living in Midwest winters in the past. If I ever move back to a snow state, I'll be better educated, thanks!

Sorry for the slight hijack, OP.
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