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Old 03-02-2014, 09:51 AM   #1
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Default What is the difference is performance between 3L Gas and 3L TDI?

I am shopping for a new SUV and RX350 and Q7 are the most likely choices.

For Q7, I know everyone is talking about TDI but what is the real difference in performance? I do not have an opportunity to test drive both side by side unfortunately.

What I am looking for is:

- which one is more dynamic (accelerates better) at 80-100 km per hour speed? I am no worried about taking off from the traffic light first but like an ability to accelerate while I am driving at a cursing speed. I actually hate when a car takes off really fast and then looses all the dynamics.

- how do I read torque specs?

Yes, I understand the fuel consumption is much better with TDI. One of my challenges is that in Canada there are very few options for TDI models while if I build on Gas Tech model, I can add features.
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Since you are shopping for an RX, why don't you look at the SQ5?
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Since you are shopping for an RX, why don't you look at the SQ5?
Q5 is too small. I need cargo space.
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There's a massive difference in size between the RX350 and the Q7.
B490MTL is right, the RX350 == Q5.

In terms of performance, again, chalk & cheese.
There's no-damn-way that I'd (personally) even consider a Petrol Q7. It's a very heavy vehicle and really benefits from having the stomping torque that only a diesel engine can deliver.
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how do I read torque specs?
What do you mean "how"?
Torque is a measure of how much a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate. Just as a force is a push or a pull, a torque can be thought of as a twist to an object.

Official SI literature uses the unit newton metre (N m).
Imperial units uses "foot-pounds-force" (ft lb).
Use this online converter to translate between the two.

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...in Canada there are very few options for TDI models while if I build on Gas Tech model, I can add features.
I don't understand what "features" you're talking about. Explain please?
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Get a v8 tdi
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There's a massive difference in size between the RX350 and the Q7.
B490MTL is right, the RX350 == Q5.
RX350 cargo space is supposed to be better than of Q7. With second row folded. I have no idea how but it is 80 c feet vs 73. Check the specs.


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What do you mean "how"?
Torque is a measure of how much a force acting on an object causes that object to rotate. Just as a force is a push or a pull, a torque can be thought of as a twist to an object.

Torque is usually presented at different rpm. If I see 400 at 2500 rpm vs 400 at 4000 rpm, what is the difference for me?

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I don't understand what "features" you're talking about. Explain please?


With TDI Progressive, you can't add any Lane assist, adaptive cruise control and etc options.
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Get a v8 tdi
Not an option in Canada ;-)
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Usually for the torque the higher at a lower RPM the better, meaning you have power from the start. Best thing to do is to go compare both vehicules, I have a co-worker with an RX and it is a lot smaller than the Q7. I am guessibg the extra cargo room is the height because the Q has a very high load floor.
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RX350 cargo space is supposed to be better than of Q7. With second row folded. I have no idea how but it is 80 c feet vs 73. Check the specs.
You're right, but it depends on your use requirements.

2014 Lexus RX 350:
80.3 cubic feet with 2nd row seats folded
40 cubic feet with 2nd row upright

2014 Audi Q7:
72.5 cubic feet with 2nd & 3rd rows folded
42 cubic feet with 3rd row folded
10.9 cubic feet with 3rd row upright

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Torque is usually presented at different rpm. If I see 400 at 2500 rpm vs 400 at 4000 rpm, what is the difference for me?
Vehicle torque values usually mean "Max torque is achieved at this RPM". So with the values above, you're reaching your max torque much lower and faster with the TDI at 2500 rpm, vs 4000 RPM on the FSI.
What this means to you is that the TDI will "feel" like it accelerates faster (from both stopped and cruising speeds) because you can achieve max torque with less RPM than the FSI.

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With TDI Progressive, you can't add any Lane assist, adaptive cruise control and etc options.
I bet you actually *can* add them, but they're not included in the online configurator for some reason. Talk to your dealer about what *you* want from your car.
I also note that the TDI Technik pack allows most of the options to be selected in the configurator.

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72.5 cubic feet with all 3 rows folded
How do you drive in this configuration?
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I am going to get Q7 TDI on Monday then ;-) Well, may be on Tuesday. I hope it will sustain Canadian winter
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I am shopping for a new SUV and RX350 and Q7 are the most likely choices.

For Q7, I know everyone is talking about TDI but what is the real difference in performance? I do not have an opportunity to test drive both side by side unfortunately.

What I am looking for is:

- which one is more dynamic (accelerates better) at 80-100 km per hour speed? I am no worried about taking off from the traffic light first but like an ability to accelerate while I am driving at a cursing speed. I actually hate when a car takes off really fast and then looses all the dynamics.

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To address your specific question. I own an A6 TDI and have driven an RX350 and a Q7 TDI. As people have said, the TDI delivers tons of torque at lower RPMs that are closer to normal driving RPMs. As a consequence, when you step down to pass the vehicle accelerates very quickly but always in a refined and controlled manner. It can pass from 80-110 or 100-130 in a blink. The RX350 needs to build up RPM and gather itself before it launches and it does not have the driving feel and composure of an Audi. It is well made, has great materials and luxury and it otherwise a very nice vehicle. I don't know if it's only a chick car but it has a powder puff ride. Some would say it is a chic car. I wouldn't sell it short though, it's a competent vehicle and there are a lot of them out there. But the Q7 is a luxury performance car and the RX350 is a luxury car. Both are practical and will last a long time. Both have lots of neat features.

It's too bad you can't drive both of them out on the hi way and try a few passes. You'd see your decision to buy an Audi Q7 is a good one.

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I'm in the far North Idaho panhandle about 100km from Canada and my A6 TDI does fine in the winter, although I do keep it in a garage heated to 4C. I live 0.7km up a steep (16%) unpaved road and the Quattro drive with snow tires has no problem getting up the road. The car handles like it was built for winter.

That said I drive my Acura MDX AWD with chains when the going get tough because I think the A6 it too beautiful to let all those crazy drivers who don't know how to drive on snow to take a shot at my Audi. I don't care if they hit the MDX, it's my wife's car. I tolerate it and respect it but i don't like it.
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We shall see how it is. Bought one today.
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We shall see how it is. Bought one today.
Awesome, congrats. What'd you get? Detail man, details!
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Awesome, congrats. What'd you get? Detail man, details!
Q7 TDI 3L, Special Edition. Lava Grey. Coming to Canada in April.
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Q7 TDI 3L, Special Edition. Lava Grey. Coming to Canada in April.
Nice one. What's the Special Edition include?
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