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Old 05-04-2012, 07:03 AM   #41
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So I may have an answer to my own questions. After reviewing the photos, the RS4 logo on one of the body side moldings is not exactly straight - slightly crooked. Maybe a minor detail, but it didn't come from the factory this way, which could indicate sloppy workmanship in a body shop. There may be more to this car than the dealer is revealing. What do you guys think?
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I bought a mint 08 RS4 from Audi Mississauga with half the mileage, 2 year CPO, free Audicare till like 100,000 miles etc. for only a few grand more than that one....and this was 8 months ago so that price gap should be much narrower now.

That's part one.

Part two is that the car lounge is notorious for selling GHETTO AS *** cars. Avoid

Here's a review I wrote on a B6 A4 someone asked me to check out (Car Lounge is two minutes from my house.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...94#post3301294

Here's another thread where people advise staying WELL clear.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ge-in-Oakville

Buying a Lexus from a small potentially shady dealer isn't much of a concern as the cars are so reliable. Buying an RS4 with no warranty from one while trying to save a couple grand is a dangerous practice. Engine replacement on an RS4 is about $20,000. Not a very good gamble to save a couple grand.

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I bought a mint 08 RS4 from Audi Mississauga with half the mileage, 2 year CPO, free Audicare till like 100,000 miles etc. for only a few grand more than that one....and this was 8 months ago so that price gap should be much narrower now.

That's part one.

Part two is that the car lounge is notorious for selling GHETTO AS *** cars. Avoid

Here's a review I wrote on a B6 A4 someone asked me to check out (Car Lounge is two minutes from my house.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...94#post3301294

Here's another thread where people advise staying WELL clear.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ge-in-Oakville

Buying a Lexus from a small potentially shady dealer isn't much of a concern as the cars are so reliable. Buying an RS4 with no warranty from one while trying to save a couple grand is a dangerous practice. Engine replacement on an RS4 is about $20,000. Not a very good gamble to save a couple grand.
Thanks very much sakimano. I didn't know about Car Lounge, you saved me major headaches. And hey, thanks for looking into this for me...

The other car I mentioned is Audi MidTown Toronto. It's a grey base. $44k was firm. Would you have any knowledge about Marks Motors in Ottawa? (that's where I will have the car serviced - under warranty).
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Thanks very much sakimano. I didn't know about Car Lounge, you saved me major headaches. And hey, thanks for looking into this for me...

The other car I mentioned is Audi MidTown Toronto. It's a grey base. $44k was firm. Would you have any knowledge about Marks Motors in Ottawa? (that's where I will have the car serviced - under warranty).
I can see why that Daytona car in Oakville was so tempting...amazing deal for a fantastic looking car, but knowing those guys they tend to pick the cars off at the auctions that have a history. If they're selling for $42k...you can imagine what they paid for it...and if they paid that little, you can imageine what's wrong with it that made the other dealers stay away!

I don't know much about Mark motors sorry.

Let me know if you want me to check any other Oakville/Burlington/Mississauga cars for you. As you saw in the other thread, I'm happy to do that for a fellow enthusiast. I'm a car nerd, so it's fun, and RS4s are always nice to check out. I can even log the car and check on the motor's strength and see if there are any codes hiding.

Just let me know. Only takes 10-20 mins!

(Audi midtown is a bit far from me unfortunately)
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one other thing...I'd try hard to find one that still has a warranty on it. Like the original warranty (4yrs, 80,000 kms). I say this because if you have a problem, and you have a warranty, you take it to the dealer, and get it fixed for free. If you have a problem and don't have a warranty, you might just say '**** it' and sell the car. Lots of the cars that are out there have problems that the previous owner didn't want to fix (or did a half assed job of fixing).

It's tough now as 2008 RS4s are pretty much all either out of warranty, or are just about to be. I would seriously try hard to find one that's still in. Mine expires in 7 days. I then have CPO since I bought from a dealer.

To that end...two cars I looked at when buying were at PFAFF a good dealer up in Newmarket. One was really nice. The other was a ****box I would never have wished upon my worst enemy. I'm sure they cleaned it up nice but that car was in terrible shape when I saw it. Just know that, like the car lounge car, they shine up real nice, but do your best to get a car with a known history.
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Let me know if you want me to check any other Oakville/Burlington/Mississauga cars for you. As you saw in the other thread, I'm happy to do that for a fellow enthusiast. I'm a car nerd, so it's fun, and RS4s are always nice to check out. I can even log the car and check on the motor's strength and see if there are any codes hiding.
Thanks very much for the offer. I think I'll be checking out the Mid-town car to see how it looks and I may take you up on your offer if it doesn't work out.

I'm an ex-Burlingtonian myself. Beautiful city and I miss it but I don't miss the traffic... lol.
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one other thing...I'd try hard to find one that still has a warranty on it. Like the original warranty (4yrs, 80,000 kms). I say this because if you have a problem, and you have a warranty, you take it to the dealer, and get it fixed for free. If you have a problem and don't have a warranty, you might just say '**** it' and sell the car. Lots of the cars that are out there have problems that the previous owner didn't want to fix (or did a half assed job of fixing).

It's tough now as 2008 RS4s are pretty much all either out of warranty, or are just about to be. I would seriously try hard to find one that's still in. Mine expires in 7 days. I then have CPO since I bought from a dealer.

To that end...two cars I looked at when buying were at PFAFF a good dealer up in Newmarket. One was really nice. The other was a ****box I would never have wished upon my worst enemy. I'm sure they cleaned it up nice but that car was in terrible shape when I saw it. Just know that, like the car lounge car, they shine up real nice, but do your best to get a car with a known history.
Sage advice. As warranted cars are dwindling, the search will only get more difficult. Typical in the life cycle of any car model though.
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Thanks very much for the offer. I think I'll be checking out the Mid-town car to see how it looks and I may take you up on your offer if it doesn't work out.

I'm an ex-Burlingtonian myself. Beautiful city and I miss it but I don't miss the traffic... lol.
Thanks again!
funny, they added a high occupancy vehicle lane in both directions on the qew from Ford Dr. to Brant St. and it has full alleviated the rush hour gridlock. It's not perfect, but rather than going 10 km/h, you can now cruise across that section (basically all of oakville/burlington) at 100km/h average.

searching for a car in warranty is tough, but not impossible. CPO is almost just as good. IS the midtown car CPO?
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I worked downtown under the CN Tower (RBFG) for years and I basically lived on the QEW. Don't miss it a bit. That's amazing about the HOV lane. It was a mess when I was there. Any time of day or night, there was traffic. And if there was an accident, everything dumped onto highway 5. Ugh.

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Is the midtown car CPO?
Yes it is and extended warranty until Aug 2013 - which is great IMHO.
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I worked downtown under the CN Tower (RBFG) for years and I basically lived on the QEW. Don't miss it a bit. That's amazing about the HOV lane. It was a mess when I was there. Any time of day or night, there was traffic. And if there was an accident, everything dumped onto highway 5. Ugh.



Yes it is and extended warranty until Aug 2013 - which is great IMHO.
any update? ensurall has a decent looking aftermarket extended warranty in case you're looking
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any update? ensurall has a decent looking aftermarket extended warranty in case you're looking
Hey sakimano, unfortunately work has delayed me.
The car at MidTown was gone before I could arrange to see it. The search is temporarily postponed for now, but I will be back at it soon. I'll look in ensurall at that point as well (thanks for the tip) and thanks for checking...
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Hey all.
Starting to looking again and spotted a nice 2008 Titanium Daytona Grey with only 32,250 km (20,000 mi).
They're asking $56,900. Canadian Black Book shows a base at $51,700. Not sure if it's still under warranty (waiting for a response from the seller). Getting excited...
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Hey all.
Starting to looking again and spotted a nice 2008 Titanium Daytona Grey with only 32,250 km (20,000 mi). They're asking $56,900. Canadian Black Book shows a base at $51,700. Not sure if it's still under warranty (waiting for a response from the seller). Getting excited...
Just an FYI; I checked Ensureall for the above car and the quotes were around $4,300/year bumper to bumper. Not bad.
But the car was sold before the vendor got back to me so the search goes on...
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Just an FYI; I checked Ensureall for the above car and the quotes were around $4,300/year bumper to bumper. Not bad.
But the car was sold before the vendor got back to me so the search goes on...
4300 per year? Did you mean $4300 for 5 years?

My friend just picked up a warranty from them on his Cayenne Turbo S for around $5,000.
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4300 per year? Did you mean $4300 for 5 years?

My friend just picked up a warranty from them on his Cayenne Turbo S for around $5,000.
Yes for 5 years. Sorry and thanks sakimano...
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I'm about to buy an ensurall warranty for my B8 A4 Avant (4 years old and new-car-warranty is about to expire)

may do the same with the RS4 when CPO is up in May 2014.
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Sakimano, do you know if Ensurall will cover carbon cleaning?
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Sakimano, do you know if Ensurall will cover carbon cleaning?
I reckon they would if you got a CEL and took it in.

They use Audi dealers for repairs. The Audi standard is that it warrants cleaning when you get a CEL.

I would make sure you have the top notch version of the ensurall warranty. I think the price difference is like 10-15%. To me if you spend a few grand on a warranty, you may as well spend an extra $600 to make sure you have the super-duper platinum (or whatever it is) coverage.
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[QUOTE=sakimano;24362024]I reckon they would if you got a CEL and took it in.

They use Audi dealers for repairs. The Audi standard is that it warrants cleaning when you get a CEL.
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Are you saying that if the cause of a CEL/misfire is carbon buildup, the audi warranty or CPO warranty covers the cleaning? The dealer here kinda suggested that it didn't when I bought the car.

They also said it should be ok until 80K miles which I took as a 'not in writing salesman's promise'.
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I reckon they would if you got a CEL and took it in.

They use Audi dealers for repairs. The Audi standard is that it warrants cleaning when you get a CEL.

I would make sure you have the top notch version of the ensurall warranty. I think the price difference is like 10-15%. To me if you spend a few grand on a warranty, you may as well spend an extra $600 to make sure you have the super-duper platinum (or whatever it is) coverage.
Agreed on which plan to buy. And thanks for the info... :-)
Are there any other symptoms that would "leverage" Audi into cleaning the carbon under warranty? (i.e. engine stumbling, poor acceleration, proof - data from VAG, etc.)
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Agreed on which plan to buy. And thanks for the info... :-)
Are there any other symptoms that would "leverage" Audi into cleaning the carbon under warranty? (i.e. engine stumbling, poor acceleration, proof - data from VAG, etc.)
they may keep the car overnight, then start it up in the morning. They run really rough sometimes when heavily carboned up. Usually the problem is the carbon interferes with some of the moving parts in the intake manifold.

As far as performance/dynos/etc. they won't listen to any of it. Dynos can be manipulated to say what the dyno operator wants. Acceleration is tough to test, and their 'margin of error' is going to be so wide it won't matter.

As I have posted here before, my car has never been cleaned...and ran 12.75 @ 108.3 in the quarter mile, faster than any magazine ever achieved with pro drivers on new cars. Faster than any other RS4 owner with or without carbon cleaning has ever achieved on a stock car. My car had 35,000 miles or so on it at the time . So the point is, acceleration data shows there's not a gigantic difference. It will get dismissed by Audi.

CEL causing misfires or flap actuator problems is the way to get a carbon clean under warranty.

The only other succesful method I'd heard is paying to have them remove the intake manifold...and if they find a boatload of carbon, they clean it under warranty. Not sure on that though as Audi's position is that carbon is normal and not a cause for concern...so not sure why they'd agree to pay to clean. Other people have tried that and were told 'you will still have to pay, unless there is a CEL'.

The process for dealing with the carbon from Audi's end is to

a) do a chemical flush (which does nothing)
b) update your ECU file to run hotter (which does nothing)
c) give up and do the manual cleaning, which takes about 8-10 hrs in their shop. That is the worst option for Audi as it costs them about $350 at dealership warranty labour rates. They'd much rather **** around and push you off with a and b.
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