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Old 10-18-2013, 10:29 AM   #1
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Thanks to the fine folks at New German Performance (ngpracing.com), my stupidly fast car is now faster. The difference is most noticeable in the mid-range: the torque is there immediately and is sustained to the red line. My favorite part of driving my car - merging from the on ramp into traffic - was a even more of a breeze with the gobs of acceleration added with the tune. I also noticed that the boost gauge leaps to the full thrust position much faster than it did prior to the tune. Those are my initial impressions from a 25 mile trek home. I have 29 more days to decide whether or not I like it.
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Congrats. I love my APR tune too. Did they have to downgrade your software as well?
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I love my APR tune as well. Let's hope the tranny holds together
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I love my APR tune as well. Let's hope the tranny holds together
You will be fine if you don't hammer it all the time. Use the power once in a while. It's not like the car is even remotely slow to begin with.
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Does the APR tune void your warrantee? I am a newbie to Audi but would worry if I busted something because of the increased power. Any advice?
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Does the APR tune void your warrantee? I am a newbie to Audi but would worry if I busted something because of the increased power. Any advice?
Do a search for that topic. It comes up almost weekly on the forum. The best answer for that question always starts out with "That depends ..... "
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Lee, I tuned my car with the thought that I was voiding parts of my warranty. The "it depends" comment above is very accurate. It depends upon your relationship with the service people at the dealership...it depends on what you are doing if and when something breaks (the computer will know if you go last the rev limiter and blow the engine)...etc. I do not take my car to the track and I have never used launch control. I got the tune to flip the bird to the various rice rocketeers that think they can mess with my "luxury car" on the highway. I have the tune because I operate under the theory that it is better to have and not need than not have and need. One final thought: as an attorney, I am comfortable having to enforce my rights in the event that Audi denies a warranty claim improperly. It will cost me nothing.
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My understanding from my dealer is that scan tool detection of any flash triggers a code that absolutely requires the dealer to interact with Audi as to the question of warranty coverage, i.e., the decision is not entirely up to them. My dealer has consistently been very forthcoming and creative on service, but I don't think I will risk a power train spat with AudiUSA, at least until after the initial warranty period.

Perhaps an Audi affiliated poster can confirm my understanding, but it is my operating assumption.
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Yes this is what I have heard from service department as well. I may be in a unique position as I have informed my service advisor(Service Manager) of my APR tune, plus I know the owner of the dealership. In addition have purchased 5 new Audis since 2009 including a new SQ5 which I'm taking delivery of next week. If I have issues regarding my tune, **** will hit the fan with the owner and he can take it up with Audi Canada. It's ultimately their choice if they want a customer like me that will remain loyal and buy numerous vehicles in the upcoming years or **** me off and I will sell all my Audis, give them bad press and move to one of their competitors, their choice.


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My understanding from my dealer is that scan tool detection of any flash triggers a code that absolutely requires the dealer to interact with Audi as to the question of warranty coverage, i.e., the decision is not entirely up to them. My dealer has consistently been very forthcoming and creative on service, but I don't think I will risk a power train spat with AudiUSA, at least until after the initial warranty period.

Perhaps an Audi affiliated poster can confirm my understanding, but it is my operating assumption.
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Yes this is what I have heard from service department as well. I may be in a unique position as I have informed my service advisor(Service Manager) of my APR tune, plus I know the owner of the dealership. In addition have purchased 5 new Audis since 2009 including a new SQ5 which I'm taking delivery of next week. If I have issues regarding my tune, **** will hit the fan with the owner and he can take it up with Audi Canada. It's ultimately their choice if they want a customer like me that will remain loyal and buy numerous vehicles in the upcoming years or **** me off and I will sell all my Audis, give them bad press and move to one of their competitors, their choice.
Unfortunately your prior purchases and dealer relationship doesn't mean that much to AOA or AOC if your engine fails and you are flagged TD1. It would require many car purchases to cover the cost of a $30,000+ motor. Hopefully you won't need to test out your relationship.
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Unfortunately your prior purchases and dealer relationship doesn't mean that much to AOA or AOC if your engine fails and you are flagged TD1. It would require many car purchases to cover the cost of a $30,000+ motor. Hopefully you won't need to test out your relationship.
Sure if you live in a world where your thoughts are in a place where the absolute worst scenario happens. I have tuned almost every vehicle I have owned...engines blown = 0 shredded transmissions = 0

I have no worries, but I do have is an amazingly fast super sedan, that shifts and responds a 100 times better than stock that I am now in love with. Prior to the tune I was considering selling it.

All in all a personal decision.
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Sure if you live in a world where your thoughts are in a place where the absolute worst scenario happens. I have tuned almost every vehicle I have owned...engines blown = 0 shredded transmissions = 0

I have no worries, but I do have is an amazingly fast super sedan, that shifts and responds a 100 times better than stock that I am now in love with. Prior to the tune I was considering selling it.

All in all a personal decision.
the motor is only 21k you can buy it on ecs, I don't have apr but I love my tune and wouldn't drive the car if I didn't have it.
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I wasn't suggesting not to tune your car, just that you shouldn't expect having a great relationship with your dealer can overcome TD1 in a warranty situation related to the tune. That's all.
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I wasn't suggesting not to tune your car, just that you shouldn't expect having a great relationship with your dealer can overcome TD1 in a warranty situation related to the tune. That's all.
Have you experienced an issue with Audi and have warranty work denied, and have had a similar history with a dealer as I do?
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I've purchased several cars from my Audi dealership but I don't expect them to be able to persuade AOA to cover a warranty repair related to a tune on my car. Nor should they or the dealer foot the bill if I blow up a tuned motor running a quarter mile at high rpm's. There are numerous reports of warranty repairs being denied due to TD1 flag on the forums. It's a very small fraction of tuned cars that have serious issues, but to say the ****s gonna hit the fan if your car has issues with it after being tuned is just irrational.
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I've purchased several cars from my Audi dealership but I don't expect them to be able to persuade AOA to cover a warranty repair related to a tune on my car. Nor should they or the dealer foot the bill if I blow up a tuned motor running a quarter mile at high rpm's. There are numerous reports of warranty repairs being denied due to TD1 flag on the forums. It's a very small fraction of tuned cars that have serious issues, but to say the ****s gonna hit the fan if your car has issues with it after being tuned is just irrational.
It's hardly irrational, its about money. If I have a warranty claim issue I will use my relationship with my dealer and address the fact to Audi that I have purchased almost $400k in vehicles. If they are unwillingly, then it's clearly the wrong brand for me. Unless you have experienced this issue first hand, rather than read about it on forums, you should reserve your comments because you nor I clearly do not know what may happen.

But again I am confident that **** will hit the fan if I have issues, will it matter....no one knows until it's reality.

I have confidence in the Audi brand and feel the cars are robust. I doubt I will have serious issues, and if I do and have to pay out of my pocket to repair the car, then I will, but not without seriously raising the issue

The message here: If you can't afford to fix a tuned car...don't tune it.
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The message here: If you can't afford to fix a tuned car...don't tune it.
Believe me, I would try everything I know to get a claim covered under warranty, but if Audi denies a claim that can truly be tied to the tune on my car, I will continue to buy Audis since IMO they are the best cars on the market at the present time. Yes, I will be upset but don't feel any sense of entitlement to an expensive repair that is related to a modification I did. And I do plan on tuning my S6 after my wife turns it over to me in a couple of years. She likes her cars bone stock, but didn't object too much when it was lowered and new rims installed.
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I will use my relationship with my dealer and address the fact to Audi that I have purchased almost $400k in vehicles.
You are right, it is only going to be about money. From Audi's perspective, the $400K in cars you have purchased won't count, only the profit on what they think you might purchase in the future... offset by the cost they have to eat to replace your tranny, motor, whatever. On top of that, they will probably assume you will tune future cars your purchase and maybe cost them more money down the road. Lastly, they would probably be thinking that if they cover your repair, that will open the door for any other consumer who tunes their car and has a problem to have their car repaired under warranty.

Bottom line, I am fairly certain you will be on the hook for the repair, and if they lose you as a customer, it ain't gonna matter.

I think if you plan to tune your car, you just have to accept the risk and don't count on Audi to fund any issues you end up having.
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You are right, it is only going to be about money. From Audi's perspective, the $400K in cars you have purchased won't count, only the profit on what they think you might purchase in the future... offset by the cost they have to eat to replace your tranny, motor, whatever. On top of that, they will probably assume you will tune future cars your purchase and maybe cost them more money down the road. Lastly, they would probably be thinking that if they cover your repair, that will open the door for any other consumer who tunes their car and has a problem to have their car repaired under warranty.

Bottom line, I am fairly certain you will be on the hook for the repair, and if they lose you as a customer, it ain't gonna matter.

I think if you plan to tune your car, you just have to accept the risk and don't count on Audi to fund any issues you end up having.


all I can tell you is that when my dsg breaks I am going to go back to stock and give it to the dealer. If they don't cover it well then we will know the answer to this whole thread, till them we can speculate all day. If any one is going to break their dsg it will be myself since I have over 25k on the car and go to the drag strip regularly. Want to see how it holds with stage II and then stage III, It does not bother me needing to flash back to stock every time I go to the dealer.

At the end of the day I think audi made a really solid product here and it will not break but if it is going to I think it is my responsibility to the enthusiast community to find out at what hp/tq mark will do in the dsg.
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the motor is only 21k you can buy it on ecs, I don't have apr but I love my tune and wouldn't drive the car if I didn't have it.
If the motor is indeed $21k, I wonder how hard it would be to throw one in a S5 or RS5.
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