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Old 03-19-2008, 06:39 PM
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Default Crank no start

My wife was driving yesterday and all of a sudden it just quit. She ran the battery dead trying to get it restarted and listening to the radio waiting for the tow truck to arrive. I vag-scanned it and logged the info to post here for help. I scanned it two times saving each scan and deleting both to see if any dtc's would come back. I have what appears as both cam sensors G40 and G163 both reappearing after a delete and retry. Is it possible both can go bad at the same time, I have doubts. Please help. I have included some of the Dtc's from the 1st and 2nd scans.

Wednesday,19,March,2008,08:59:34:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

10 Faults Found:
18014 - Rough Road/Engine Torque Signal from ABS: Electrical Malfunction
P1606 - 35-00 - -
16805 - Warm Up Catalyst; Bank 1: Efficiency Below Threshold
P0421 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17704 - Error in Mapped Cooling System (check Temp-Sensor and Thermostat)
P1296 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16684 - Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
P0300 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16685 - Cylinder 1: Misfire Detected
P0301 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17862 - Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor 1 (G235): Short to Ground
P1454 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16815 - Warm Up Catalyst; Bank 2: Efficiency Below Threshold
P0431 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
16955 - Brake Switch (F): Implausible Signal
P0571 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wednesday,19,March,2008,14:37:23:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

2 Faults Found:
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D57
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.LBL
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325

2 Faults Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-10 - - - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
Old 03-20-2008, 01:53 AM
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Default Clear the codes, see which ones reoccur. ...

The camshaft sensors, are suspect, but the crankshaft speed/position sensor output must exist or the engine will quit, and won't restart. Check the crankshaft speed sensor.
Old 03-26-2008, 04:44 PM
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Default Ok, still no luck

I replaced the RPM sensor and decided to replace the fuel pump relay but I still can't get it started. I am very puzzled. I went so far as to check the air-fuel-spark, just to see if all those systems individually would work. They all did. I erased the DTC's, cranked it again and got both cam sensors. I've included reports for reference. Please shed some light. I will say that I did get the most codes today while I was checking for air-fuel and spark together which did not return after I erased and rescanned.

Wednesday,26,March,2008,15:45:10:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

11 Faults Found:
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30: Voltage too Low
P1602 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17833 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80): Short to Ground
P1425 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17880 - EVAP Leak Detection Pump: Short to Ground
P1472 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17938 - Camshaft Timing Adjustment: Short to Ground
P1530 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17955 - Boost Pressure Regulation Valve (N75): Short to Ground
P1547 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17697 - Boost Pressure Control Valve (N249): Short to Ground
P1289 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17529 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating Circuit: B2 S2: Short to Ground
P1121 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17525 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor Heating Circuit: B1 S2: Short to Ground
P1117 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
17908 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17): Electrical Malfunction
P1500 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D57
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.LBL
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325

2 Faults Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-10 - - - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.LBL
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D11
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000

1 Fault Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.LBL
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump D11
Coding: 16140
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.LBL
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.LBL
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.LBL
Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
Component: Radio D00
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 01013

No fault code found.

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wednesday,26,March,2008,17:25:58:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

2 Faults Found:
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D57
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.LBL
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325

2 Faults Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-10 - - - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.LBL
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D11
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.LBL
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.LBL
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.LBL
Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
Component: Radio D00
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 01013

No fault code found.

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wednesday,26,March,2008,17:42:08:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

3 Faults Found:
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
16955 - Brake Switch (F): Implausible Signal
P0571 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D57
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.LBL
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325

2 Faults Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-10 - - - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.LBL
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D11
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.LBL
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump D11
Coding: 16140
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.LBL
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.LBL
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.LBL
Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
Component: Radio D00
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 01013

1 Fault Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wednesday,26,March,2008,18:14:42:39539
VAG-COM Version: Release 704.1
Data version: 20071016
Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4 B5
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.LBL
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 310 1V6/5VT G 0002
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 01551

2 Faults Found:
17800 - Camshaft Position Sensor Bank 2 (G163): Open Short to Plus
P1392 - 35-00 - -
17746 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40): Open or Short to Plus
P1338 - 35-00 - -
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D57
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.LBL
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325

2 Faults Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-10 - - - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.LBL
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D11
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.LBL
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump D11
Coding: 16140
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.LBL
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.LBL
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8D0-035-1xx-56.LBL
Part No: 8D0 035 195 A
Component: Radio D00
Coding: 00201
Shop #: WSC 01013

No fault code found.

End --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Old 04-04-2008, 09:10 AM
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Default Check for water in the ECU box! ...

What common mode/cause could be involved with the DTCs that reoccur? Besides the cam sensors, the fuel pump relay DTC is a clue. Note that all those systems are present in the ECU box. If there is spark, correctly timed, and the correct fuel/air ratio, the engine will start. Maybe the engine is flooded from before.
Old 04-04-2008, 01:35 PM
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Default I checked the ecu box....

and there is no water or moisture. Its dry as a bone and the seals appear to be ok between ecu and harness. Like I said before I replaced the main fuel relay with a new one just for good measure. I haven't pulled the plugs and checked for flooding. I would assume only from looking at other posts that the timing would have to be correct otherwise I should see a plausability dtc. I must say that I did only get the fuel pump relay code while I was running the air/fuel/spark test. I am not sure why. I disconected the fuel return and ran a hose into an empty water bottle and cranked it a few revolutions to check for fuel. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Default F@###king timing belt.....

I just found out it was the damn timing belt. The heads might be toast.
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Default Ugh! Thats a suprise, but explains the problems for sure.

Some valves are going to be bent, but the head/s can usually be reused.
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