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Old 10-24-2008, 10:45 AM   #1
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Default Nokian Hakka 5 or Hakka R

I'm finally getting winter tires. I've read many good things about Nokian tires and decided to go with them. I've decided that the Hakkapeliitta 5 is their best winter tire, but it may be a waste for me to go with a studded tire. The Hakkapeliitta R seems to be their best non-studded tire. It looks like the Hakka R is very similar to the Hakka 5 except for the studs.

Regardless of the brand, when studs are available for a tire, is it a waste to get them if you aren't likely to encounter conditions where studs would be needed?

Does anyone have any experience with the Hakka R? How does it perform on icy roads?

Most of my driving will be in and around Columbus, OH and I don't see myself going on any long road trips in the winter where I might encounter situations where studs would be appropriate. Secondly, I do drive to Detroit to visit friends and family. Studs are not allowed in that part of Michigan.
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Old 10-24-2008, 03:37 PM   #2
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Default My opinion is Hakka5 with no studs....

I Have owned the RSi (predecessor to the R), and currently have the Hakka2 without studs. The Rsis were a touch better on the ice, but the Hakkas are considerably better in everything else... snow, slush, dry. The Hakkas have more room between tread blocks which seems to really help dig through snow better.. especially deeper snow.
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Old 10-25-2008, 01:17 AM   #3
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If it's bad enough for studs...time to park it, not worth the risk. .02
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Default Honestly the Hakka 5 w/out studs would be a strong setup The Wrg2 would also

be a great setup for all around winter use. I think those are going to be my next winter tires up here in north-central NH
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Default Some of us would say "good enough" or "fun enough" for studs. :-D

However, we're probably all people who live in relatively flat areas where gravity + ice + cliff isn't something that we ever encounter.
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Default I had WRs, then RSi, then hakka2.....

I find the hakkas to be the perfect compromise for winter. The WRs weren't good enough on the ice, and the RSis were a tad too soft on the dry pavement for what I was looking for. Tha hakka2s fell nicely in the middle and handle everything very well. Not too squirmy on dry, good on ice, absolutely amazing in snow (better than WR or RSi for snow). Also that hakka2s are wearing very nicely :-) (the RSis were wearing faster than I'd like as well)

However, if I were buying a winter tire now, I'd be choosing between the General Altimax Arctic (rebranded Gislaved Nordfrost3), or the Hankook iPike w409. Both fall into the same category as the hakkas, but for considerably less $$ than Nokians cost now with the weak dollar. They might not perform quite as well as the Nokian.. but 90% of the performance for nearly half the price is something I can handle. :-)
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Default Interesting. I wish the hakka 2's came in 18's though. I drove the RSI's at a winter driving school

and liked them on ice and packs snow. I just had a set of WGR2's installed on my mom's car so i don't need to worry about her. She is going to run them year around. (makes me feel better).

I currently have the Dunlop M3, Dunlop D2S on 18's and like the dry handling of the M3 and the slush handling of the M3, but find the D2S much better in deep snow, ice and packed snow. But the d2S being so soft wears so quick and handles so-so.

On the other car we ran the old Blizzak ws-50 and it was great all around except for handling. We now have the Blizzak revo and for her driving style and the days she actually drives the car in the snow they work great.

I was looking at the WGR2's for a good all arounder for me, but maybe the hakka 5 w/ out studs would be better.

I don't purchase tires from Hankook anymore. And the Nordfrost/Generals don't come in 18's.
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Default yah. :)

As is sometimes the case with AWD and the bells & whistles aids that come with it, one sometimes gets the feeling of infallibility on snow/ice and it can bite you. YOu can always go faster, but you can't "stop faster" physics still applies here. :+)
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Default My good friend echoes all of your points...he sez he'll run out of clearance before...

he runs outa traction on the Vermont hills. He raves about the wear too.
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hakka4 and hakka5 both available in 225/40/18 :-)
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Default Re: Hakka5 with no studs

I don't see anywhere on Nokian's website that states the studded tires are available without studs. I know they listed them as with or without studs last year, but cannot find it now.
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Interesting.. all previous hakkas were available without studs. You could do hakka4 instead.
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Default Nokian CS stated that studless Hakka5 is available by special order

So I'll contact the local tire company that carries Nokian to find out the cost. I assume it will be less than the Hakka5. If I can get the Hakka5 without studs and not have to pay more for it, that's what I am going to order.
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Default Have you seen any expert/magazine reviews/comparisons of Altimax Arctic?

Just curious since it's a relatively new offering with very little feedback so far.

Has the Nordfrost3 been highly rated?
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