A while back I had a pair of stock bypass valves fail -- both with torn diaphragms. I put new stock valves back in but with the recent introduction of the Forge Stealth valves I decided it was time to get a good set of valves. I didn't want to have to worry about the OEM Bosch valves failing again. I purchased my Forge Stealth valves from Stramosphere.
I chose the Forge valves over other possible choices for several reasons:
The Stealth Forge Valve
The Forge is available with two spring rates -- a green street spring and a blue race spring. I'm using the street springs. A friend has the blue race springs. So how does the valve compare to the stock valves? The Forge is a hefty well crafted piece that dumps pressure quickly when opened then firmly snaps closed when vacuum is released from the nipple. The stock valve? Well... uhhh, it's uhhh, crap. Sometimes it sealed on release... sometimes it didn't. Simply pathetic for valves with only a few thousand miles running stock boost pressure.
To compare valves I did a few simple tests. First, I checked to see how much vacuum was required to pull the valve open with 1 PSI of pressure on the on the outlet side of the valve. I used slight pressure on the outlet so I could hear air leak through the valve when it started to open. And, I checked how much pressure was needed to push the valve off it's seat to compare spring pressures. The way the valve functions on the S4 boost pressure is applied to the back of the piston (via the nipple) so boost pressure actually holds the valve closed when you're on the throttle. The spring rate does not indicate how much boost pressure the valve will hold but rather how hard it is to pull it off the seat with vacuum. So, when I say it took X amount of pressure to push the valve open that doesn't mean that boost pressure is going to push the valve open. Engine vacuum pulls the valve open. I planned to have another brand valve in this test but discovered they were not in proper working order so I've excluded the results.
In the graphs below the red "Requested Boost" line is the boost pressure the engine computer was calling for. The red line abruptly dropping is the result of lifting off the throttle to shift gears. The steeper the positive slope of the red line the sooner I was back on the throttle. I did not stay into 3rd gear very long... I was more interested in seeing how boost recovered (and not getting a ticket). This data was captured with VWTool using data block 115. These graphs represent boost pressure on full throttle 1-2-3 runs.
Note that boost pressure held between gears is influenced by the time I took to shift. I will be doing additional testing without shifting (just chopping and reapplying the throttle) so that boost hold and recovery times are more consistent. Note that "Stock Stock" means: Stock valve, Stock boost. "Stock Chipped" means: Stock valve, chipped boost... and so on. All runs were performed on the same car with the various valve configurations.
Note the boost spike on the 2-3 shift on the "Stock Chipped" valve after I lifted off the throttle. Boost wasn't dumped quick enough resulting in a boost spike to 16 PSI. I'm not sure why there's a spike... perhaps the valve can't dump enough air volume to be effective when running 1.0 bar of boost. The dip in boost pressure on the chipped run is also odd although... given it's substandard performance on static tests I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised. There is a small boost spike on the 1-2 shift with stock boost levels too. I didn't expect to see boost spikes given the light stock spring and the fact the valve pulled open with less than 1" of vacuum. Puzzling.
On the chipped run with Forge street springs I did a clean shift and was rewarded with 7 PSI of residual boost pressure without any boost spikes to stall the turbo. Reduced turbo lag between shifts -- yahoo.
The race springs, for this simple street run, don't appear to offer much advantage over the street springs. On a race track where a tenth of a second is the difference between winning or losing they might be worthwhile.
Seat of the Pants
In the few miles of seat time I've had with the valves I
honestly have not noticed much difference in throttle response. I suspect part
of the problem is I've just been playing around on deserted roads so there's not
much to judge myself against. From the captured data boost is clearly
present between shifts. The true test will be driving around in traffic
where boost lag will be most obvious. Stand-by.
After some seat time with the Forge valves I've come to the
conclusion that if you shift correctly you'll be rewarded with reduced turbo lag
between shifts. I'm not talking about "abuse the car
shifts" by slamming or forcing it into gear or anything dramatic... just
quick, well executed shifts. In spirited slice and dice traffic mode the car
lunges forward with an urgency not present with the OEM valves.
<nodding><smirk> Yep, this is a good mod.
Yikes! Boost spikes!
This data is from a pair of valves (not Forge) that were not in good working order. The boost spikes are the result of the valve not opening properly when lifting off the throttle. Note the boost spike to over 18 PSI after lifting off the throttle in 2nd and 3rd gear.