Engine shudder when transmission disengages clutch when coming to a stop?
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Engine shudder when transmission disengages clutch when coming to a stop?
Is it normal for a DCT transmission to shudder when the clutch is disengaged when braking and coming to a stop? It is a subtle feeling, but definitely noticeable when compared to a regular automatic transmission that stops completely smoothly. It feels and sounds like a shuddering/low vibration effect.
On a side note, does Audi utilize automatic engine braking by downshifting itself when braking downhill? My previous normal automatic transmission vehicle would simply sit at ~1100rpm while braking dowhill while trying to maintain 60km/hr, but I noticed the Audi would immediately downshift a couple times (before even allowing the current RPM to drop below 2000) after braking to maintain the same 60km/hr and sit around 3500rpm.
On a side note, does Audi utilize automatic engine braking by downshifting itself when braking downhill? My previous normal automatic transmission vehicle would simply sit at ~1100rpm while braking dowhill while trying to maintain 60km/hr, but I noticed the Audi would immediately downshift a couple times (before even allowing the current RPM to drop below 2000) after braking to maintain the same 60km/hr and sit around 3500rpm.
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Is it normal for a DCT transmission to shudder when the clutch is disengaged when braking and coming to a stop? It is a subtle feeling, but definitely noticeable when compared to a regular automatic transmission that stops completely smoothly. It feels and sounds like a shuddering/low vibration effect.
On a side note, does Audi utilize automatic engine braking by downshifting itself when braking downhill? My previous normal automatic transmission vehicle would simply sit at ~1100rpm while braking dowhill while trying to maintain 60km/hr, but I noticed the Audi would immediately downshift a couple times (before even allowing the current RPM to drop below 2000) after braking to maintain the same 60km/hr and sit around 3500rpm.
On a side note, does Audi utilize automatic engine braking by downshifting itself when braking downhill? My previous normal automatic transmission vehicle would simply sit at ~1100rpm while braking dowhill while trying to maintain 60km/hr, but I noticed the Audi would immediately downshift a couple times (before even allowing the current RPM to drop below 2000) after braking to maintain the same 60km/hr and sit around 3500rpm.
I have this exact same feeling. Well described. I imagine it's just the DCT but I'm not 100% as this is my first. I've gotten used to it unfortunately but please do update if you find out what it is/if it is normal. Thanks!
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I would love to hear if even more people with this vehicle have experienced the shudder that I am describing.
If it is normal, I thought more people would have been vocal about it. Therefore I am leaning more towards the fact that there may be something wrong.
Dealership gave me the explanation that the clutch is disengaging which causes it, but I do not think it would feel like that.
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Are you perhaps feeling the engine stop as part of the automated stop/start system? I noticed that the rental A4 Avant I had earlier this year would shut off the engine before the car came to a complete stop, and there was some noticeable shuddering when that happened. IIRC, anywhere below 20km/h seemed like fair game, as long as the brakes were at least partially engaged.
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One possibility is that Audi leaves the transmission engaged as long as possible to keep charging the battery. Watch the fuel mileage bar graph and see if it lights up all the way to green battery at the right-hand end.
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I just did a 1300 miles road trip in an Allroad and I own an RS5, so both S-tronic transmissions. There is a tendency for the clutch to get released late if you come to a grandma stop. The TCU basically isn't sure if you are going to stop or if you just drive really slow. Eventually, the engine reaches almost stall speed and the clutch disengages to avoid stalling the engine. Be more assertive when coming to a stop and this shouldn't happen. I don't really experience this unless I'm stuck behind a grandma driver, so to say.
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There is a tendency for the clutch to get released late if you come to a grandma stop. The TCU basically isn't sure if you are going to stop or if you just drive really slow. Eventually, the engine reaches almost stall speed and the clutch disengages to avoid stalling the engine. Be more assertive when coming to a stop and this shouldn't happen.
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That's too cute! If you brake more aggressively, then you WILL trigger the engine start/stop feature, which is absurdly annoying if you are, say, stopping at a stop sign and intend to drive off immediately. You either learn to brake more gently so that your brake pressure is too low to trigger the engine stop, or you have to turn off start/stop...
Not sure how you operate the brakes, but I slow down firmly and just before the car comes to a full stop, I ease off the brake pedal for a smooth stop, then if it's going to be a longer stop I increase the pressure on the brake pedal while already fully stopped which triggers the engine stop. This is all muscle memory for me at this point and I've yet to personally own a vehicle with engine start/stop. I've only ever driven rentals and loaners with engine start/stop.
Last edited by superswiss; 08-22-2017 at 03:16 PM.