Transmission completely off the rails
#21
With piggyback, the ECU doesn't know what's "true" because it's not mapped to specific conditions, and just reads what the sensors are outputting. The sensors cause the ECU to input more/less power based on how much the JB4 limits the input/output of the sensors. So because of this, the ECU doesn't know how much "time" it needs to clamp down. With a tune, the ECU knows exactly how much air/fuel ratio creates combustion, which then makes everything else in the power train system act accordingly. This is why tunes in general can achieve higher HP and TQ values, because it does more than "fool" the ECU using stock mapping.
#22
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Hey HyperS4, remember me? Remember two years ago when I was considering going with an ecu tune on my B9 A4 and was deeply concerned the the Dual clutch trans in this car wasn't stout enough to handle it? Remember how you told me I was being a ***** and to let the real men mod their cars cause these cars are over built. Well maybe your advise, arrogance and opinion wasn't all that great.
I wish you luck. At least your under warranty and the the only hassle will be down time and aggravation.
I wish you luck. At least your under warranty and the the only hassle will be down time and aggravation.
Theres many people with Audi's, driving with tunes and mods WAY more aggressive than mine, and they are having no issues. I am going to stand by my original assessment that these cars are built much stronger than people assume. I had over 550hp going to the DSG in my S6's without ever having any issues(granted, slightly different DSG). If I am having an issue with a slipping clutch, it is not due to the mods, but that I have a weaker than normal transmission(or some other issue). It is most likely an isolated incident, not that these transmissions are incapable of handling more power.
#23
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With piggyback, the ECU doesn't know what's "true" because it's not mapped to specific conditions, and just reads what the sensors are outputting. The sensors cause the ECU to input more/less power based on how much the JB4 limits the input/output of the sensors. So because of this, the ECU doesn't know how much "time" it needs to clamp down. With a tune, the ECU knows exactly how much air/fuel ratio creates combustion, which then makes everything else in the power train system act accordingly. This is why tunes in general can achieve higher HP and TQ values, because it does more than "fool" the ECU using stock mapping.
#24
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I've only owned my 2018 for a few months, but I've found that from a stop the car does not like having the pedal mashed all the way down. It reminds me in some way of my BMW K1200S MC.. apart from having a top redline, think it was 12K.. The bike also had a bottom redline below about 3K it just did not really launch; at about 3K hold the eff on.. It was a locomotive then in every gear (145 and I chickened out )
I notice my Audi is the same way, kind of.. If I'm in regular drive it idles about 750 rpm and it needs to be eased up the rpm's until about 1500 then it'll will rip. In Sport it idles at 1K and and gets in the power quicker. BTW the slow power uptake is great in the snow.. kinda like the soft acceleration curve then..
I notice my Audi is the same way, kind of.. If I'm in regular drive it idles about 750 rpm and it needs to be eased up the rpm's until about 1500 then it'll will rip. In Sport it idles at 1K and and gets in the power quicker. BTW the slow power uptake is great in the snow.. kinda like the soft acceleration curve then..
#25
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I've only owned my 2018 for a few months, but I've found that from a stop the car does not like having the pedal mashed all the way down. It reminds me in some way of my BMW K1200S MC.. apart from having a top redline, think it was 12K.. The bike also had a bottom redline below about 3K it just did not really launch; at about 3K hold the eff on.. It was a locomotive then in every gear (145 and I chickened out )
I notice my Audi is the same way, kind of.. If I'm in regular drive it idles about 750 rpm and it needs to be eased up the rpm's until about 1500 then it'll will rip. In Sport it idles at 1K and and gets in the power quicker. BTW the slow power uptake is great in the snow.. kinda like the soft acceleration curve then..
I notice my Audi is the same way, kind of.. If I'm in regular drive it idles about 750 rpm and it needs to be eased up the rpm's until about 1500 then it'll will rip. In Sport it idles at 1K and and gets in the power quicker. BTW the slow power uptake is great in the snow.. kinda like the soft acceleration curve then..
#26
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I have a manual transmission, so my experience may be completely irrelevant. I also experienced a slipping clutch and the problem was that the master cylinder (apparently positioned above the clutch) was leaking fluid onto the clutch and the added lubrication would cause the clutch to slip when I applied the throttle over about 50%. I assume the DSG transmission also has a master cylinder and clutch plates, so your problem could be similar. It took my dealer about three weeks and two clutch replacements to figure this out.
#27
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The dealer replaced the clutch and told me after test driving it that everything was fixed. After driving away, I experienced the clutch slipping in second gear while accelerating with about 50% throttle - moderate acceleration, but not too aggressive. I took it back to the dealer and demonstrated the problem, which was easy to replicate. They kept it for a couple of weeks and troubleshooted the possible causes with help from Audi corporate. Eventually they determined that the master cylinder was leaking onto the clutch and causing slippage, so they replaced the master cylinder and the clutch (for the second time).
I still don't know if the two problems (dead clutch pedal and slipping clutch) had the same cause, or if maybe the master cylinder or some hose was damaged when they replaced the clutch the first time and that's what caused the slipping. Of course now I pay close attention to the behavior of the clutch, but everything seems to be working like new. For the three weeks it was in the shop I tried to figure out what I would replace it with if it turned out to be a lemon, but I couldn't come up with anything now that the A4 and 3 series are automatic only. I probably would have ended up with a 2 series or Golf R, but I'm glad to have the A4 back.
#28
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Everything was covered under warranty, but I was at 10 months and 6,000 miles. The complete story was a little more involved. One day I noticed that it seemed like I had to push the clutch pedal down farther than normal while shifting for the clutch to fully disengage. It wasn't obvious, but the clutch pedal felt a little different. After parking the car and coming back a few hours later to start it up, I pushed the clutch pedal to the floor and it stayed there - it didn't spring back at all. The engine wouldn't start because I assume the sensors indicated that the clutch was still engaged. Thankfully I could force the gearshift into neutral and turn the wheel to get it onto a tow truck - the electric power steering even worked with the engine off.
The dealer replaced the clutch and told me after test driving it that everything was fixed. After driving away, I experienced the clutch slipping in second gear while accelerating with about 50% throttle - moderate acceleration, but not too aggressive. I took it back to the dealer and demonstrated the problem, which was easy to replicate. They kept it for a couple of weeks and troubleshooted the possible causes with help from Audi corporate. Eventually they determined that the master cylinder was leaking onto the clutch and causing slippage, so they replaced the master cylinder and the clutch (for the second time).
I still don't know if the two problems (dead clutch pedal and slipping clutch) had the same cause, or if maybe the master cylinder or some hose was damaged when they replaced the clutch the first time and that's what caused the slipping. Of course now I pay close attention to the behavior of the clutch, but everything seems to be working like new. For the three weeks it was in the shop I tried to figure out what I would replace it with if it turned out to be a lemon, but I couldn't come up with anything now that the A4 and 3 series are automatic only. I probably would have ended up with a 2 series or Golf R, but I'm glad to have the A4 back.
The dealer replaced the clutch and told me after test driving it that everything was fixed. After driving away, I experienced the clutch slipping in second gear while accelerating with about 50% throttle - moderate acceleration, but not too aggressive. I took it back to the dealer and demonstrated the problem, which was easy to replicate. They kept it for a couple of weeks and troubleshooted the possible causes with help from Audi corporate. Eventually they determined that the master cylinder was leaking onto the clutch and causing slippage, so they replaced the master cylinder and the clutch (for the second time).
I still don't know if the two problems (dead clutch pedal and slipping clutch) had the same cause, or if maybe the master cylinder or some hose was damaged when they replaced the clutch the first time and that's what caused the slipping. Of course now I pay close attention to the behavior of the clutch, but everything seems to be working like new. For the three weeks it was in the shop I tried to figure out what I would replace it with if it turned out to be a lemon, but I couldn't come up with anything now that the A4 and 3 series are automatic only. I probably would have ended up with a 2 series or Golf R, but I'm glad to have the A4 back.
#29
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I'm in Lawrence Green.. Off Federal City... Apart from taking it to the dealer.. I'd make sure you're using a Top Tier fuel and of course Premium. Depending on Mileage I'd also run a tank of fresh fuel with a bottle of Techron added, and I'd check the air filter, replace if needed.. Other than that, it's a trip to the dealer.
Last edited by ErikM; 12-12-2018 at 05:07 PM.
#30
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I'm in Lawrence Green.. Off Federal City... Apart from taking it to the dealer.. I'd make sure you're using a Top Tier fuel and of course Premium. Depending on Mileage I'd also run a tank of fresh fuel with a bottle of Techron added, and I'd check the air filter, replace if needed.. Other than that, it's a trip to the dealer.