b6 or c5 avant? take into account the price, room, performance, etc. moms in the market for a wagon
#3
Actually, I've become used to the fact...
...that my C5 Avant -- the bulked-up allroad version -- is a little bitty car these days, what with all the Escalades and other gigantic-mobiles in the parking lots out there. HPH
#4
Externally maybe, but perhaps not so much
when you look at usable interior space. Lots of SUVs have big boxy greenhouses that unless you are hauling large square objects (or have a massively swollen head;-), count very little in real life.
We rented one of those "mid-size" Trailblazers not so long ago. While our load was a little too large for the Subaru Legacy we had hoped to rent, it certainly would have fit in an A6 Avant.
I know what you mean though. We think of our 164 as a large car. However, park it next to a B6 A4, and they are pretty close in size. Our Milanos are MK III Jetta sized - which I don't really think of being very small.
In the end though I get a huge chuckle and a tickle of dismay whenever I see some Chinese woman even smaller than I, piloting a huge Mercedes S class - with the seat all of the way forward and nobody else in the car. Utterly silly and the pinnacle of conspicuous consumption.
Trailblazer
Wheel Base: 113 in
Length: 191.8 in.
Curb Weight: 4616 lbs.
Front Head Room: 40.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 58.5 in.
Rear Head Room: 39.6 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 58.5 in.
Luggage Capacity: 41 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 80 cu. ft.
Allroad
Wheel Base: 108.5 in.
Length: 189.4 in.
Curb Weight: 4244 lbs.
Front Head Room: 37.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 58.6 in.
Rear Head Room: 38.4 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 56.9 in.
Luggage Capacity: 36.4 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 73 cu. ft.
We rented one of those "mid-size" Trailblazers not so long ago. While our load was a little too large for the Subaru Legacy we had hoped to rent, it certainly would have fit in an A6 Avant.
I know what you mean though. We think of our 164 as a large car. However, park it next to a B6 A4, and they are pretty close in size. Our Milanos are MK III Jetta sized - which I don't really think of being very small.
In the end though I get a huge chuckle and a tickle of dismay whenever I see some Chinese woman even smaller than I, piloting a huge Mercedes S class - with the seat all of the way forward and nobody else in the car. Utterly silly and the pinnacle of conspicuous consumption.
Trailblazer
Wheel Base: 113 in
Length: 191.8 in.
Curb Weight: 4616 lbs.
Front Head Room: 40.2 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 58.5 in.
Rear Head Room: 39.6 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 58.5 in.
Luggage Capacity: 41 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 80 cu. ft.
Allroad
Wheel Base: 108.5 in.
Length: 189.4 in.
Curb Weight: 4244 lbs.
Front Head Room: 37.5 in.
Front Shoulder Room: 58.6 in.
Rear Head Room: 38.4 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: 56.9 in.
Luggage Capacity: 36.4 cu. ft.
Maximum Cargo Capacity: 73 cu. ft.
#5
C5 glides, B6 flies
I made the call for a C5 Avant. The smaller derriere on the B6 just cannot hold enough cargo, especially when my 100lb Golden Retriever is one of the occupants(look carefully at the psgr boot window below-he's peeking out of the rear corner). Leg room seems better as well. I recently moved and was amazed at the cargo capacity of the a6 when the rear seats were folded down - easily fit in at least 8 giant rubbermaid tubs, with room to pile it on. Try that in your sedan, turbo boosters!!!
The cost for used models in my desired range was within %5 , so that did not affect my decision. When debating the newer models, however, cost definitely becomes more important. Also I might add the B6 styling is definitely fresher and more sporty than the C5 at this point. I had debated popping for an S4 Avant, but in the end, I went for the 2.8. Not much in the way of mods for the base 2.8/3.0 version though, probably would have more luck with a 1.8 a4. Then again, it is for the wifey...
Regardless, after driving the C5, I have ultimately settled on the 4.2 allroad as the ultimate utility vehicle - power, style, and off-road ability(read: snow clearance). Just not ready to drop $55K on one yet.
{edit}: just saw your sig, and it says 2005 s4. if that's the case, score the C5. Luxury and speed. Nice.
The cost for used models in my desired range was within %5 , so that did not affect my decision. When debating the newer models, however, cost definitely becomes more important. Also I might add the B6 styling is definitely fresher and more sporty than the C5 at this point. I had debated popping for an S4 Avant, but in the end, I went for the 2.8. Not much in the way of mods for the base 2.8/3.0 version though, probably would have more luck with a 1.8 a4. Then again, it is for the wifey...
Regardless, after driving the C5, I have ultimately settled on the 4.2 allroad as the ultimate utility vehicle - power, style, and off-road ability(read: snow clearance). Just not ready to drop $55K on one yet.
{edit}: just saw your sig, and it says 2005 s4. if that's the case, score the C5. Luxury and speed. Nice.
#7
I think part of my perception...
...is how tall those %^#%$ things are. I keep my allroad at level 1 most of the time, though -- maybe I should lift it up to level 4 when I'm at the grocery store, parked in the lot. Then it would make me feel like a real man instead of like just a station-wagon-driving wussoid.
On the other hand, that's just in the parking lot. On the street, those tall things are absolutely no match for the 2.7T, even when it's pushing over 2 tons. HPH
On the other hand, that's just in the parking lot. On the street, those tall things are absolutely no match for the 2.7T, even when it's pushing over 2 tons. HPH
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#8
I spent the whole weekend, questioning why
anyone would choose to drive one of those things (Trailblazer). While not exactly painful, it didn't delight you in packaging, value, sophistication, or anything else. It was just a clunky somewhat awkward appliance.
#9
My wife drives an Envoy, which we will be replacing soon . . .
(probably with a used 5 series wagon or All-road) and I will admit that when I go hunting, I borrow it to go places and traverse things that my Audi simply cannot. That said, 99% of the SUV drivers out there don't even see dirt roads, let alone have a need to cross a brook or get out of mud.
The Envoy has a dead average interior and exterior, very poor fit and finish, but a nice smooth and torquey engine.
You are spot-on about the cargo space in SUVs, it is usually long on clearance, but short on footprint (relatively).
The Envoy has a dead average interior and exterior, very poor fit and finish, but a nice smooth and torquey engine.
You are spot-on about the cargo space in SUVs, it is usually long on clearance, but short on footprint (relatively).
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