Torn between S5 and RS5 (and Golf R)
#21
AudiWorld Super User
Absolutely but none of the mods would effectively cause that. I'm fully capable, with the right tools of course, to set up an entire suspension system so I generally understand symptom/causation. It is a new platform to me and I didn't experience the car for any length of time in OEM condition so I'm always asking if a trait is inherent or induced. For example, I also have an issue with on-center vagueness and wandering on occasion but I blame the tire brand and roads for those.
I could live without the CR-15 honestly. It had a very, vary small effect on how the car tracked over rough pavement but that's about it.
I could live without the CR-15 honestly. It had a very, vary small effect on how the car tracked over rough pavement but that's about it.
Last edited by superswiss; 02-20-2018 at 08:28 AM.
#22
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Guys, what about some common problems that might occur with the RS5? I've read a lot about carbon buildup and engine misfiring, but I've experienced something similar in my old Civic. Solution I've used was to start fueling with 100-octane fuel (which contains additives) and also going for the redline from time to time (more often than not).
I have also read about problems with catalytic converters and that they are expensive and difficult to switch ..
I have also read about brakes pads/rotors, but those can be changed for a good price..
Anything else?
I have also read about problems with catalytic converters and that they are expensive and difficult to switch ..
I have also read about brakes pads/rotors, but those can be changed for a good price..
Anything else?
#23
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Carbon buildup is a universal issue that affects any modern direct injection engine one way or the other. I do have occasional cold start misfires. Only happens during the winter when the crappy winter gas formula is in effect, though, so I blame the fuel for now. Audi has added several mitigation to the RS5 engine to minimize carbon buildup. What you want to avoid first and foremost are short trips where the engine barely reaches operating temperature. Other than that I live by the moto "a redline a day keeps the mechanic away" or also known as the good ol' Italian tuneup. In your case I would make a trip to Germany regularly to blow that engine through on some high-speed runs on the Autobahn. Get the engine nice and hot regularly and it should run fine.
The brake issue is probably the biggest one affecting some RS5s. I never had an issue with my brakes. Neither when I had the OEM pads and rotors, nor with the current aftermarket setup.
Here in the USA we have a 50k miles/4 year warranty, so all issues I had were taken car of free of charge. So far nothing major since my warrany ran out.
At one point there was a bad batch of fuel pumps. I was affected by it and the fuel pump was replaced under warranty. The other issue is the gear position sensor seems to be a common transmission issue. Mine might be on the way out as I got a transmission failure on my last canyon run, but it went away a couple of hours later and hasn't come back. May have just been a fluke.
A common Audi issue are worn front bushings given all the weight towards the front. Mine started to crack at around 40k miles and my dealer replaced them under goodwill and I had creaking lower front control arms, which supposedly is an issue on earlier model years like mine. They were redesigned later on and I now have the redesigned ones.
The brake issue is probably the biggest one affecting some RS5s. I never had an issue with my brakes. Neither when I had the OEM pads and rotors, nor with the current aftermarket setup.
Here in the USA we have a 50k miles/4 year warranty, so all issues I had were taken car of free of charge. So far nothing major since my warrany ran out.
At one point there was a bad batch of fuel pumps. I was affected by it and the fuel pump was replaced under warranty. The other issue is the gear position sensor seems to be a common transmission issue. Mine might be on the way out as I got a transmission failure on my last canyon run, but it went away a couple of hours later and hasn't come back. May have just been a fluke.
A common Audi issue are worn front bushings given all the weight towards the front. Mine started to crack at around 40k miles and my dealer replaced them under goodwill and I had creaking lower front control arms, which supposedly is an issue on earlier model years like mine. They were redesigned later on and I now have the redesigned ones.
Last edited by superswiss; 02-20-2018 at 04:14 PM.
#24
What kind of tires do you have? On-center vagueness and wandering is not something I've experienced. In fact the dynamic steering is superior for straight line tracking in 'comfort' and 'auto' mode as it dials in a fairly indirect steering ratio, so that minor distractions don't cause it to move off the straight line. I've had 4 sets of P Zeros and now I have the PSS. I've had tracking issues due to alignment being off. Some of my canyon carving knocked out the toe in the rear and front. Since I've got it re-aligned it drives like a charm again. Make sure you get the steering reset properly after aligning. I've had several failed attempts by my indy to align the car properly. It drove like crap every time and they are otherwise a great shop, but they struggled to get the car properly aligned and I'm guessing they didn't do the reset procedure properly. All they had was vagcom. Took the car to the dealer and it was like night and day afterwards. Not sure exactly what is involved, but the dynamic steering may require a different procedure after the mechanical alignment. I got a feeling that the torque vectoring was confused after the indy alignments.
Good to know on the alignment. I may have the dealer check it out then. I have a service the end of March and will look into having it done. Alignment was originally done at a performance shop that specializes in this sort of stuff. They have a shop R8, GTR's etc...but I don't think they see many RS5's. Mine was probably the first. You had me thinking about the dynamic software update, did a bit of reading. There is a definite difference in feel between dynamic and comfort. Night and day. I'm guessing I do not have the update. I'll pull out the VCDS and look up the software version.
#25
AudiWorld Super User
Crappy tires! I have two issues...one is the Summitomo HTRZ III tires. Second, I'm running about 4 degrees of caster and need to be closer to 5 as best I can tell. Toe and camber are at factory specs and I have adjustable front upper arms. I have experience with the PSS and I'll have those or PS4's installed come late spring. Tires came with the car and they were brand new so I kept them for the winter months. Trying desperately to wear them out as quickly as possible. They're actually ok tires for the most part but lack in the braking and initial turn-in vs. something like the PSS. And we have really bad roads here with lots of ongoing construction.
Good to know on the alignment. I may have the dealer check it out then. I have a service the end of March and will look into having it done. Alignment was originally done at a performance shop that specializes in this sort of stuff. They have a shop R8, GTR's etc...but I don't think they see many RS5's. Mine was probably the first. You had me thinking about the dynamic software update, did a bit of reading. There is a definite difference in feel between dynamic and comfort. Night and day. I'm guessing I do not have the update. I'll pull out the VCDS and look up the software version.
Good to know on the alignment. I may have the dealer check it out then. I have a service the end of March and will look into having it done. Alignment was originally done at a performance shop that specializes in this sort of stuff. They have a shop R8, GTR's etc...but I don't think they see many RS5's. Mine was probably the first. You had me thinking about the dynamic software update, did a bit of reading. There is a definite difference in feel between dynamic and comfort. Night and day. I'm guessing I do not have the update. I'll pull out the VCDS and look up the software version.
Last edited by superswiss; 02-21-2018 at 08:15 AM.
#26
I purchased (from a dealer) a loaded 2015 S5 in pristine shape and with 24K miles for just under $37K -- with just about half of it's factory warranty AND a transferable (from 1st owner) pre-paid AudiCare maintenance package. If you're looking to save a few sheckles, explore some low-or-medium mileage S5s. The '15 has the SC 6 cylinder and in Dynamic/Sport mode it is a beast!! And it handles extremely well while at the same time comfortable for a long drive.
Last edited by OlyS5; 02-23-2018 at 10:24 AM.
#27
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I totally forgot about this thread!
In the end I bought an S5 2015 3.0T with only around 8700 miles on it for $39k. It's almost fully loaded, I think only thing missing is the sports diff. Unfortunately I couldn't find a single S5 with sports differential anywhere. It's also "slightly" tuned, so it has around 400 HP.. drives like a beast! And the fuel consumption is not bad at all, I usually get around 23 MPG, more on highways.
I was in Belgium last week, so I was finally able to try out the famous Autobahn and it's definitely obvious these cars are built for this stuff.. :-)
Now I'm thinking about swapping the exhaust for AWE Track Exhaust with resonated downpipes.. but I'm not sure about it yet, as the exhaust is quite expensive and I couldn't hear one in person, only via Youtube..
In the end I bought an S5 2015 3.0T with only around 8700 miles on it for $39k. It's almost fully loaded, I think only thing missing is the sports diff. Unfortunately I couldn't find a single S5 with sports differential anywhere. It's also "slightly" tuned, so it has around 400 HP.. drives like a beast! And the fuel consumption is not bad at all, I usually get around 23 MPG, more on highways.
I was in Belgium last week, so I was finally able to try out the famous Autobahn and it's definitely obvious these cars are built for this stuff.. :-)
Now I'm thinking about swapping the exhaust for AWE Track Exhaust with resonated downpipes.. but I'm not sure about it yet, as the exhaust is quite expensive and I couldn't hear one in person, only via Youtube..
#28
A Golf R cannot be compared to an Audi S5/RS5 in terms of performance and quality. I see that you're basing your choice on budget. If it were my money, I would automatically go for any of the Audi's you mentioned simply because I am getting more car (interior refinement, engineering, tech, build quality) than a VW. A Golf R is simply a Golf with a more potent engine (still a 4 cylinder) and 4motion. You are still buying a Golf at the end of the day. And, maintenance on a R, I expect, won't be cheap either.
Even if your Audi choices are used vehicles, you are getting more car for the money. I have owned a VW GTI and now, my S5. They're two different cars. The Golf R is an uber-pocket rocket, light and tossable. The S5 and RS5's are heavy grand touring (GT) cars that offer refinement and luxury as well as giving you a dose of sportiness when you want it. If you haven't test driven an Audi S5 or RS5, you need to do it so you are well informed of these differences.
It will probably cost more to maintain an Audi S5 compared to a Golf R. You'll have to do more homework by inquiring about the cost of servicing Audi's in your neighborhood. The RS5 will take even more money to maintain especially if the RS5 you are eyeing comes with Ceramic Brakes.
Even if your Audi choices are used vehicles, you are getting more car for the money. I have owned a VW GTI and now, my S5. They're two different cars. The Golf R is an uber-pocket rocket, light and tossable. The S5 and RS5's are heavy grand touring (GT) cars that offer refinement and luxury as well as giving you a dose of sportiness when you want it. If you haven't test driven an Audi S5 or RS5, you need to do it so you are well informed of these differences.
It will probably cost more to maintain an Audi S5 compared to a Golf R. You'll have to do more homework by inquiring about the cost of servicing Audi's in your neighborhood. The RS5 will take even more money to maintain especially if the RS5 you are eyeing comes with Ceramic Brakes.
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