TYJ

superswiss

We'll see. The electric grid in the USA will not support large scale EV deployment and is still mostly fossil fuel based compared to other countries, so the state of existing infrastructure for battery EVs is questionable. More need for electricity means more power plants and coal plants is what mostly covers peak demand as they can be easily ramped up and down. Special chargers are needed to charge an EV in a reasonable time, so the supercharger networks didn't exist and still need to be massively built-out. Even Norway admits that the biggest issue they have with EVs is not enough chargers. The large scale battery recycling problem hasn't been figured out yet. Much of what makes a Tesla would continue to be viable if they replaced the battery with a fuel cell and a hydrogen tank. Hydrogen storage back then wasn't as viable as it is now, but has come much farther, whereas battery capacity and technology is still largely at the same stage. There hasn't been a big breakthrough with batteries yet and the energy density of today's batteries requires them to be large and heavy. If you look back on the history of batteries, devices largely last longer these days because of advancements on the consumption side. Chips have gotten smaller and require less power and the software has become smarter at saving energy where possible, while the battery capacities have largely stayed the same. More battery capacity currently still means making the battery bigger and heavier.

schalliol

Where did you see this? I didn't see it listed. Thanks!

Created a thread for the reservation list, since this thread will cover more details about the vehicle.

Wires

For the Telsa supercharger network, they solar charge batteries at the sites, that in turn charges your vehicle. Not disputing your thoughts around capacity issues with the grid though. I do find it humorous that California is pushing hard for EV, yet they run rotating blackouts almost every summer. The invention of Li-Ion batteries is what has given us the ability to have EV or even the smartphone, not smaller more efficient chips. The iPhone would have never existed if Ni-MH was the energy source.

Keep in mind that the Hindenburg used hydrogen. We all know how that turned out.

I'm interested in seeing what the etron can do. Got to ride in a Tesla X P100D. Had cramps in my jaw from the ear to ear grin for weeks!

TYJ

superswiss

superswiss

Li-Ion batteries were invented in the 70s. In 73, the year I was born in fact it was proposed by Adam Heller, but didn't start to get commercially produced until the 90s. It took a very long time to get Li-Ion batteries to where they are today. Where is the next revolution in battery technology that can be ready for production in say the next 5 years? If Li-Ion technology is any indication, it takes decades. The Hindenburg, was Hydrogen contained by a cloth pretty much. We are far from that.

TYJ

superswiss

I guess this current funky looking Toyota hasn't crossed your world yet, either. There are other fuel cell cars, too.

https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html

Wires

Exactly, but until they were implemented, we had no means for high density energy sources required for smartphones or EV.