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#21
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There are two wings of the Climate Change Religion; Man-made Global Warming Alarmists and Climate Change Deniers.
... and like all faith-based beliefs; they think theirs is the RIGHT one.
... and like all faith-based beliefs; they think theirs is the RIGHT one.
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If it was just religion, it wouldn't be so bad....because I could just choose not to practice. But unfortunately there's a fair amount of policy that results that is actually harmful, and we can't opt-out.
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I certainly enjoy the hubris with the vague "you don't know who you're talking to" nonsense. Who you are has no bearing on actual science, just like you touting "consensus" as something meaningful belies how utterly vapid your position really is. Just like you calling it "settled science". No, not remotely settled, in fact. Both of these things 1. touting "consensus" and 2. claiming "settled" science clearly indicate that you likely don't understand how real science works at all. Here, let me help break through your confirmation bias bubble that has likely been constructed around you by people who instruct propaganda:
Now about that assertion that its "unbelievably ignorant" to assert that:
Let's recap:
1350+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarmism
I guess all these folks didn't get the word about the science being "settled", or the famed "consensus".Now about that assertion that its "unbelievably ignorant" to assert that:
CO2 isn't pollution
....please be sure to check out the credentials of those folks quoted in that link, to see how they line up against your "you don't know whom your talking to" failed Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.Let's recap:
- You called me ignorant
- You assert that having a "consensus" in science actually means something, which it doesn't. And there is no consensus (its been thoroughly debunked).
- You assert that the science is "settled", but real science is always open to additional data/facts. Especially when that data debunks non-science "consensus"
You come on here sharing fake links and ignorant, senseless claims, and expect anyone at all to believe you?
There’s a good compilation of well-sourced material on the subject here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
For those who want to learn more about the subject, and why the various myths emacS5 is alluding to are false, I highly recommend this excellent YouTube series by a very thorough and respected science journalist named Peter Hadfield, who has a knack for explaining how science works:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...fHsWPfAIyI7VAP
Each video has an extensive bibliography if you’d like to explore the actual literature yourself.
If you don’t want to study the subject, it’s important to recognize that the IPCC’s 2013 statement reads that the scientific consensus is that: “it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.” No scientific body with national or international standing disagrees with this statement.
Spreading a bunch of conspiracy theories and deliberate disinformation campaigns to confuse and manipulate people is truly despicable.
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Many in the scientific community have legitimate concerns about the impact this may have, and there is clear precedent in history for a relatively small swing in global climate breaking the steady state and leading to a feedback loop (chain reaction) where rising temperatures release more carbon, which raises temperatures further, resulting in runaway warming (and when the reverse sometimes happens, cooling). In this case, there’s legitimate fear that we will be the trigger for another period of runaway warming.
However, there is not yet any scientific consensus about whether the warming are causing can or will cause such a period. Just that we are causing the Earth to warm, and that there’s good reason to suspect that at some undetermined threshold, we could cause one. This is why it’s entirely unreasonable to call scientists “alarmists”. They’re raising valid concerns, and many are urging governments and the public to take steps to reduce our impact on the climate, but they are also very clear about what is known and what is not (yet) known.
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Of course, if you actually reviewed the links, you'd see that they are from highly educated people in relevant fields, with scores and scores of peer-reviewed papers from some of the worlds most renowned institutions.
But you won't actually read anything. Its waay easier to simply rely on the force of your argument, than the merits. We're done here....pointless to continue.
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I hope you are joking with your "enhance C02" comment!
The climate change denier "scientists" are taking the page out of the cigarette industry tactics of denying tobacco smoking with cancer and other health risks. Except that these so called scientists are lot more dangerous than the cigarette company ones they are putting the whole world at risk!
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Now, have you visited my links?
Of course, if you actually reviewed the links, you'd see that they are from highly educated people in relevant fields, with scores and scores of peer-reviewed papers from some of the worlds most renowned institutions.
But you won't actually read anything. Its waay easier to simply rely on the force of your argument, than the merits. We're done here....pointless to continue.
One could also examine the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere as compared to temps, which shows that temps have been both cooler with more CO2, and hotter with less CO2
In fact, if you look at the last 1150 years or so, you’d see that (until recently), CO2 levels were steady, and yet temperature levels varied and generally increased. This is because of increased output from the sun, which grows brighter as it ages. No one in the climate science community disputes this. What matters is that we’ve seen a surge in CO2 levels and a commensurate increase in global temperatures since the mid twentieth century, while solars irradiance has remained largely unchanged (said another way: the overall increase over time is extremely gradual, the recent period of warming is not remotely explained by it).
If you studied the actual science instead of junk propaganda, you’d have known this and saved us both a lot of time. Please do some research before you come back and spout some other long-debunked amateur misunderstanding of basic concepts.
Last edited by BrandonLive; 09-11-2018 at 09:04 AM.