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If vB were a car, it would be labelled with a Salvage Title. It's a wreck. You're still missing the point. vB doesn't come close to replicating the sense of community that kawf offered. It's not about being hack proof, a "garage", or other useless features. It's about being able to post and get feedback in almost real time, and having dare I say, almost "intimate" user friendly features.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
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That I can understand.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
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That I can understand.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
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If I may, I would associate Kawf to an original Audi Quattro (My uncle had one), its something with character, but ultimately it isn't that fast, and it will happily dump its transmission on the freeway, leaving you stranded. vBulletin is a B7 RS4, a lot quicker, ultimately a much better car with more features, more reliable, it does everything that the quattro does, but better, it just doesn't have the cache' of the quattro... and that isn't because it doesn't have the cache', its just because you haven't owned the car as long for it to get "under your skin" and for it to build the reputation of the quattro.
Just my 2c
Just my 2c
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Understood, believe me, if we could have found a reasonable way to offer that, we would have.
I may have mentioned this earlier, neither myself or any of my co-workers wakes up in the morning with the first thought in their mind "how can I infuriate some users today".
Our intentions are to attempt to provide the best possible experience that we can to you.
I know in some aspects of that (the threaded view format) we have failed - no question.
We/I hope that ultimately the current format is better for AudiWorld in the long run.
Not going to argue there.
We can't make you visit audiworld, it is our responsibility to attempt to provide the best service we can.
We have spent close to 12months attempting to get to where we are, and where we are (irrespective as to whether you may appreciate the new format) hasn't been achieved without a distinct lack of effort and care for audiworld.
Ultimately we are judged by the consumer and user.
I/we have confidence in vbulletin(I wouldn't be in here posting and answering, and neither would we have converted the site if we didn't).
I may have mentioned this earlier, neither myself or any of my co-workers wakes up in the morning with the first thought in their mind "how can I infuriate some users today".
Our intentions are to attempt to provide the best possible experience that we can to you.
I know in some aspects of that (the threaded view format) we have failed - no question.
We/I hope that ultimately the current format is better for AudiWorld in the long run.
We can't make you visit audiworld, it is our responsibility to attempt to provide the best service we can.
We have spent close to 12months attempting to get to where we are, and where we are (irrespective as to whether you may appreciate the new format) hasn't been achieved without a distinct lack of effort and care for audiworld.
I do realize you are running a business, but what the business thinks is right for the customer is not always right. And the customer is the one that decides that & I'm sure you will soon see that impact.
I/we have confidence in vbulletin(I wouldn't be in here posting and answering, and neither would we have converted the site if we didn't).
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As I am sure you may be aware, last June we attempted to convert the site to vbulletin in a "conversational" (or "threaded") format.
We had spent close to 4months with 3 developers attempting to get this right.
Unfortunately, (as I am sure you are also aware), this did not work.
We then spent the ensuing 8 months trying to get the threaded view format to work, which we discovered on a forum the size of AudiWorld is simply not possible with vBulletin.
As for how vbulletin is better, everything from security (likehood of the site being hacked and us loosing all the information), through to spam management, ability to communicate through a format outside of e-mail (private messages), not listing your e-mail (so the spam crawlers don't pick up your e-mail address and add you to their list), integrated photo albums, proper user profiles, a garage facility, integrated classifieds, a fully functioning search engine, the ability to attach not just images to posts
This comment may come off as sounding arrogant, I will state, that is not my intent.
I am not here to be loved. My interest is I want Audiworld to be the best site it can possibly be. I want it to be the best for all people that come to AudiWorld, both existing users and new users, I want it to be the resource for all things Audi, and above all, I would like it to be an enjoyable community to be part of.
We were faced with a situation, do we continue with an existing format that is well and truly outdated, or do we do what we feel is best for the community and bite the bullet and upgrade it to a software that is the best platform available, and gets updated on a regular basis.
If I may, I would associate Kawf to an original Audi Quattro (My uncle had one), its something with character, but ultimately it isn't that fast, and it will happily dump its transmission on the freeway, leaving you stranded.
vBulletin is a B7 RS4, a lot quicker, ultimately a much better car with more features, more reliable, it does everything that the quattro does, but better, it just doesn't have the cache' of the quattro... and that isn't because it doesn't have the cache', its just because you haven't owned the car as long for it to get "under your skin" and for it to build the reputation of the quattro.
Just my 2c
We had spent close to 4months with 3 developers attempting to get this right.
Unfortunately, (as I am sure you are also aware), this did not work.
We then spent the ensuing 8 months trying to get the threaded view format to work, which we discovered on a forum the size of AudiWorld is simply not possible with vBulletin.
As for how vbulletin is better, everything from security (likehood of the site being hacked and us loosing all the information), through to spam management, ability to communicate through a format outside of e-mail (private messages), not listing your e-mail (so the spam crawlers don't pick up your e-mail address and add you to their list), integrated photo albums, proper user profiles, a garage facility, integrated classifieds, a fully functioning search engine, the ability to attach not just images to posts
This comment may come off as sounding arrogant, I will state, that is not my intent.
I am not here to be loved. My interest is I want Audiworld to be the best site it can possibly be. I want it to be the best for all people that come to AudiWorld, both existing users and new users, I want it to be the resource for all things Audi, and above all, I would like it to be an enjoyable community to be part of.
We were faced with a situation, do we continue with an existing format that is well and truly outdated, or do we do what we feel is best for the community and bite the bullet and upgrade it to a software that is the best platform available, and gets updated on a regular basis.
If I may, I would associate Kawf to an original Audi Quattro (My uncle had one), its something with character, but ultimately it isn't that fast, and it will happily dump its transmission on the freeway, leaving you stranded.
vBulletin is a B7 RS4, a lot quicker, ultimately a much better car with more features, more reliable, it does everything that the quattro does, but better, it just doesn't have the cache' of the quattro... and that isn't because it doesn't have the cache', its just because you haven't owned the car as long for it to get "under your skin" and for it to build the reputation of the quattro.
Just my 2c
The stance that has been adopted is disappointing, the site will only be as good as it's members. I'm surprised that the communis opinio is of minimal importance - as I fail to see how one can make a site "the best" if a large portion of it's members dislike the current practices. True, you can have the fastest, best looking, sportiest B7 RS4, but if you don't have gas or someone to drive it, is it any better than the tired, old quattro?
Unfortunately, I think you've really dropped the ball here.
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That I can understand.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
Things like "not being hack proof", I feel it is hard to gain an appreciation for until one day you log onto the site and everything is all "gone up in smoke".
I know you may feel that this is the case here... but irrespective of how bad you may feel vBulletin is, it is better than having no Audiworld.
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If I may, I would associate Kawf to an original Audi Quattro (My uncle had one), its something with character, but ultimately it isn't that fast, and it will happily dump its transmission on the freeway, leaving you stranded.
vBulletin is a B7 RS4, a lot quicker, ultimately a much better car with more features, more reliable, it does everything that the quattro does, but better, it just doesn't have the cache' of the quattro... and that isn't because it doesn't have the cache', its just because you haven't owned the car as long for it to get "under your skin" and for it to build the reputation of the quattro.
Just my 2c
vBulletin is a B7 RS4, a lot quicker, ultimately a much better car with more features, more reliable, it does everything that the quattro does, but better, it just doesn't have the cache' of the quattro... and that isn't because it doesn't have the cache', its just because you haven't owned the car as long for it to get "under your skin" and for it to build the reputation of the quattro.
Just my 2c