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Old 05-19-2008, 09:00 PM
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Old 05-19-2008, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: much power does the LDS church exert over state and local politics?

<ul><li><a href="http://www.time.com/time/olympics2002/article/0,8599,198870,00.html">http://www.time.com/time/olympics2002/article/0,8599,198870,00.html</a</li></ul>
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Default From the Mormon "Deseret News"...

Mormons make up smaller share of Utah population
Published: November 20, 2007
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Utahns who belong to the Mormon church make up 60.7 percent of the state's population, the lowest share ever.

The percentage has declined every year for nearly two decades, according to membership numbers supplied by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The numbers, along with statistics from school districts, the Internal Revenue Service and other sources, helped state officials last week when they estimated Utah's population at 2.69 million, as of July.

If the trend holds, Mormons will make up less than half of Utah's population by 2030.

The state gained more than 84,000 residents between the summers of 2006 and 2007, about half of them transplants.

Utah "will always be a dominant center for that religion. That is not going to change," said Pam Perlich, a demographer at the University of Utah. "But a slow, steady decline of the Mormon share will continue as long as the state grows."

The Mormon church, which has world headquarters in Salt Lake City, declined to comment on the trend.

"The Saints will likely surrender majority status in the state within a couple of decades," said Philip Barlow, a professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University. "But its members are apt to remain the dominant social/political force, albeit in diluted fashion, for the foreseeable future."

Kelly Patterson, a political scientist at Brigham Young University, said Mormons vote at higher rates than non-Mormons, which will give them a larger influence.

But he expects the slow rise of the Democratic Party, and the growing non-Mormon population in Salt Lake County, will result in more political clashes.

"A competitive two-party system seems to serve democracy better in the long run," Patterson told The Salt Lake Tribune.<ul><li><a href="http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695229135,00.html">http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695229135,00.html</a</li></ul>
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Default I still maintain there is a culture clash between the F1 crowd and the typical person in SLC/Utah

Much more so than the culture clash between the winter Olympics and SLC/Utah.
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Default Not sure I get your point. I'm just saying that the PATH to an F1 seat is more ...

... difficult than the path to a NASCAR seat. You have to be the best of the best of the best of the best to make it to F1.
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Default Right...but the best of the best might not have even had the chance to enter the F1 devo path...

Point is that F1 is fed by an elitist euro-centric development process compared to many of the American paths to racing at the pro level. Geographically and economically it's not really viable for any but the most affluent American to really enter that world. Much the same way the ski racing is an elitist endeavor. I'm sure there are plenty of athletes that end up on a basketball court that could have been world cup ski racers but we'll never know. There's plenty of talent that never gets a chance. Discounting the skills of a driver because they race in NASCAR is just stupid.
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Default I sure did, but you obviously didn't read all of mine. There are still undeniably many

people who automaticially think Utah=Mormon. The demographic has changed radically over the last decade, but the misconceptions do not disappear overnight. Many idiots still think that Mormons in general still practice polygamy.Remember, whether right or wrong, what more than 50% of the people say or think, is going to be their version of reality, and I can guarantee you that if you ask the average person on the street what pops into their pointy little heads when someone says "Utah," their reply will be "LDS."
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