J4SON

I would like to get a harness to use for autoX just to hold me in place better. However, I heard that getting a harness without a rollcage is extremely dangerous. Is this true even if I only used a 4-pt harness? Also, the harness would be guided through the topspin harness bracket so it would be above my shoulder. I talked to a person from topspin and he said it would be perfectly safe even on the street. I'd just like to get your opinions before I go ahead and buy it. Info+pics are in the link below. TIA.<ul><li><a href="http://www.topspindesign.com/products/harness.htm">http://www.topspindesign.com/products/harness.htm</a</li></ul>

Sharon

I'm not sure I get it.

I'm only 5'4". For me the harness always touches the seat (this was the case with the schroth on stock seats and is the case with the harness bar+sparco harness on the race seats), and I'm not convinced that it's putting me in any grave danger.

I'm not sold on a $180 bracket especially when you still have to buy the harness.

BTW, the general concern on harness without rollcages is that you shouldn't use a submarine belt (5th &amp;/or 6th points) if you don't have a cage. In the event of a rollover, you would want the ability to submarine if there is no cage protecting you from a caving roof. If you have a cage, definitely use the submarine belts.

LMS4

unlike the few lucky ones who has slots in their seats...

but if one has his/her harness mounted correctly, one should not have to worry about it slipping away....

-f

J4SON

What would be the correct way to mount it?

LMS4

good question....most of the time, the shoulder straps should be mounted low...like where your seat anchors are...
the proper instruction should come with any decent harness you buy.

the other choice would be to get a harness bar with tabs/slots for the 3 inch belts...

and get a bucket seat which will allow you to slot the harnesses in properly.

of cuz, if you could get a roll bar, it would be most ideal....

When I got my "track car" a roll bar was one of the first things I bought..with 3 inch harnesses...

LMS4

or use that 180 towards a proper harness bar....

Sharon..who made that harness bar..I recall someone had one in their A4/S4?

J4SON

I did sit in a car that had the harness bracket and the bracket enabled the harness to be above my shoulder. Myy shoulders are higher than the seat back (I'm 6'1"). Can you tell me more about the harness bar? Pics would be much appreciated too. Of course if I don't have to spend this much money for this, I'd rather not. :-)

LMS4

<ul><li><a href="http://www.stable-energies.com/stable/audi.htm">Link</a></li></ul>

LMS4

<ul><li><a href="http://www.stable-energies.com/stable/shoulder.html">http://www.stable-energies.com/stable/shoulder.html</a</li></ul>

Sharon

made for us by a local shop.

Someone (geza?) had sourced a company that was making them for Avants though (but I don't believe the Avant bar would work in the Sedan).