2014 Q5 TDI....
#11
Pricing hasn't been released, so it's anyone's guess exactly how much the TDIs will go for. But if you're looking to pay the least overall for a Q5, go for a 2.0T. Compared to the 3.0T, Audi would have to price the TDI rather high in order for it to not be capable of breaking even over the course of a couple of years (for my driving and with the cost of diesel vs. premium here, I'd be saving about $50/mo in fuel costs).
You get increased performance down low (at a cost of the top end), and increased mileage therefore increased range (I could drive from Austin to Lubbock and around town there on a single tank as opposed to currently having to fill up before I get there). Diesel is available at almost every single station I've seen, but of course Texas has a lot of large pickups so it's hard to necessarily talk about other states. As for "smelly pumps", in my experience the petrol pumps smell worse (possibly the ethanol mix or something), but that's subjective and I don't mind the smell of diesel.
You get increased performance down low (at a cost of the top end), and increased mileage therefore increased range (I could drive from Austin to Lubbock and around town there on a single tank as opposed to currently having to fill up before I get there). Diesel is available at almost every single station I've seen, but of course Texas has a lot of large pickups so it's hard to necessarily talk about other states. As for "smelly pumps", in my experience the petrol pumps smell worse (possibly the ethanol mix or something), but that's subjective and I don't mind the smell of diesel.
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I'm anticipating pricing more like $2000 above the 3.0T, which would at least be around $5500 over 2.0T pricing. They could certainly ask more, but I would be shocked if they went as far as the $5000 in the Q7 and Touareg (given the SUV marketing, diesel has more draw there than in the sedan and crossover markets, at least currently).
And unfortunately in my part of California, diesel fuel is $.20 to $.30 more than premium fuel and $.40 more than midgrade which I use with absolutely no problem in my A4.
I suppose I should've qualified the $50/mo comment with that's the difference between the 3.0T (which would cost about what my Odyssey does now) and my estimates for the TDI. The payoff length for the TDI at an estimated $2000 premium over 3.0T compared to the 2.0T based on fuel consumption worked out to something like 20 years. (Compared to 3.0T it would "pay for itself" on a more reasonable scale, but most efficient options won't truly pay for themselves and it's more about what you get day-to-day with that option. And of course if your only concern is mileage then you should look at a tiny car instead.)
I do love the idea of a better cruising range with the diesel. This is one reason I chose the 2.0T Q5 over the 3.0T (the increased mpg means 50-100 more miles per tank).
Last edited by idale; 01-28-2013 at 08:18 AM.
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I'm anticipating pricing more like $2000 above the 3.0T, which would at least be around $5500 over 2.0T pricing. They could certainly ask more, but I would be shocked if they went as far as the $5000 in the Q7 and Touareg (given the SUV marketing, diesel has more draw there than in the sedan and crossover markets, at least currently).
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#15
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I can only point you at Audi.ca. Play with the configurable and you'll see that the is no 3.0T equivalent to the base 2.0T ... instead you get the Premium+, which means $2500 difference with the 2.0T Premium+
#16
Diesel's about the same here, effectively a pricing tier above premium. If diesel were a tier under regular like it used to be, it'd be a slam dunk.
I suppose I should've qualified the $50/mo comment with that's the difference between the 3.0T (which would cost about what my Odyssey does now) and my estimates for the TDI. The payoff length for the TDI at an estimated $2000 premium over 3.0T compared to the 2.0T based on fuel consumption worked out to something like 20 years. (Compared to 3.0T it would "pay for itself" on a more reasonable scale, but most efficient options won't truly pay for themselves and it's more about what you get day-to-day with that option. And of course if your only concern is mileage then you should look at a tiny car instead.)
I suppose I should've qualified the $50/mo comment with that's the difference between the 3.0T (which would cost about what my Odyssey does now) and my estimates for the TDI. The payoff length for the TDI at an estimated $2000 premium over 3.0T compared to the 2.0T based on fuel consumption worked out to something like 20 years. (Compared to 3.0T it would "pay for itself" on a more reasonable scale, but most efficient options won't truly pay for themselves and it's more about what you get day-to-day with that option. And of course if your only concern is mileage then you should look at a tiny car instead.)
#17
Depending on a variety of factors affecting diesel prices, the fuel savings may or may not cover the additional cost of the TDI upgrade. But there are other factors to consider, too, such as range, towing capacity and resale value. The diesel should have a decided advantage in all three categories.
Last edited by HotRodW; 01-28-2013 at 07:04 PM.
#18
2.0T, P+, Advanced key, 19" double spoke wheels - MSRP 42445
3.0T, (has P+, 19" double spoke wheels and advanced key) - MSRP 44795
difference is $2350, even better than what I quoted earlier. It's a no brainer for anyone who is performance oriented.
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I agree, if diesel prices were like they were years ago, I would have waited for the TDI Q5. I filled up in Reno, NV today and checked diesel prices. Diesel was $.34/gal more than premium gas and $.44/gal more than mid-grade gas. That really takes away from the diesel advantage for me, unfortunately. California is similar or worse. Then add the additional cost for the TDI engine and it really doesn't make much sense. The "mpg" factor isn't such a big deal for me, but the miles per tank is. So I hope the 2.0T does well in that regard. It should...
Depending on a variety of factors affecting diesel prices, the fuel savings may or may not cover the additional cost of the TDI upgrade. But there are other factors to consider, too, such as range, towing capacity and resale value. The diesel should have a decided advantage in all three categories.
in the winter, diesel can be more expensive than premium. In the summer, diesel is closer to midgrade. Keep in mind, we're talking about an Audi so one should compare premium fuel to diesel and not regular.