21" wheels: 2nd Tire replacement 6 months in!
10-13-2018, 07:42 PM
#22
Had Pirelli Scorpion Zero A/S plus 265 40R21 installed Friday. So far I’m very happy with the purchase. Just as quiet as the stock Pirelli pzero and has acceptable performance. Plus these tires have a 50k warranty.
10-13-2018, 08:33 PM
#23
AudiWorld Senior Member
My dealer had 19 and 20 inch options on a lot of Q5's in stock, the car they found for me that was exactly the way I wanted in my color came with the 20", I would have been happy with the 19
I had driven both and could not tell a big difference, in fact the 19" seemed to give a better ride to me. I have Conti's, and after driving a loaner with 20" Pirellis I wish I had drawn those in the tire lottery, they are quieter with a better grip. I think the salespeople do take the path of least resistance, of course, I imagine there are a lot of buyers who think bigger is better without thinking through the cost of replacement, or having the benefit of this forum.
I had driven both and could not tell a big difference, in fact the 19" seemed to give a better ride to me. I have Conti's, and after driving a loaner with 20" Pirellis I wish I had drawn those in the tire lottery, they are quieter with a better grip. I think the salespeople do take the path of least resistance, of course, I imagine there are a lot of buyers who think bigger is better without thinking through the cost of replacement, or having the benefit of this forum.
TireRack Survey - CrossContact LX Sport - Size: 255/45R20
19 out of 29 in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
81% vs. best in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
Would You Recommend? 3.5 - Poor
Wet Performance 7.6 - Good
Dry Performance 8.1 - Good
Winter/Snow Performance 6.0 - Fair
Comfort Performance 7.4 - Good
Treadwear Performance 5.5 - Fair
81% vs. best in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
Would You Recommend? 3.5 - Poor
Wet Performance 7.6 - Good
Dry Performance 8.1 - Good
Winter/Snow Performance 6.0 - Fair
Comfort Performance 7.4 - Good
Treadwear Performance 5.5 - Fair
Last edited by spindlewood; 10-13-2018 at 08:35 PM.
10-13-2018, 09:05 PM
#24
AudiWorld Member
I lost the tire lottery as well and my custom order with 20" wheels shipped with the A/S Conti's. This was a surprise at the time as I was expecting the Michelins. I immediatley swapped them for the same tires as markcincinnati: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+. I paid the $1000 and sold the Conti's for $350 on Craig's List. I also bought winter wheels and tires (the 19" OEM package) but I wanted to be safe in October and early November when temps drop and I haven't yet made the switch. I've been very happy with the Michelins. Can't really compare them to the Conti's as I swapped out at 400 miles - but the reviews on Tire Rack for the Conti's were awful (see below) and I wasn't going to risk injury or even sour my new SQ5 driving experience with something inferior. I really don't understand Audi's choice to include the Conti's (and why a lottery?) on the SQ5 if they're shooting for customer satisfaction.
TireRack Survey - CrossContact LX Sport - Size: 255/45R20
TireRack Survey - CrossContact LX Sport - Size: 255/45R20
19 out of 29 in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
81% vs. best in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
Would You Recommend? 3.5 - Poor
Wet Performance 7.6 - Good
Dry Performance 8.1 - Good
Winter/Snow Performance 6.0 - Fair
Comfort Performance 7.4 - Good
Treadwear Performance 5.5 - Fair
81% vs. best in Crossover/SUV Touring All-Season Tires
Would You Recommend? 3.5 - Poor
Wet Performance 7.6 - Good
Dry Performance 8.1 - Good
Winter/Snow Performance 6.0 - Fair
Comfort Performance 7.4 - Good
Treadwear Performance 5.5 - Fair
10-13-2018, 09:22 PM
#25
AudiWorld Member
Factory fitted with Michelin Latitude Sports 3 255/45 R 20 101W - so far happy with then after the 2nd tank of fuel. Driving conditions have been urban with 3/4 that period over wet road surfaces.
10-14-2018, 05:17 AM
#26
The computer systems that Audi must surely employ for their manufacturing requirements planning would/could easily allow for another "option" to be specified.
Imagine the following: You can order your new SQ5 but you can choose the trim level -- so you go ahead and pick Prestige.
Then you say to the dealer who is entering the order into their on-line system, "I'd like Ibis White with the Red Leather seats."
Then the rep stops typing and looks at you and says: "Well, I can get you the Ibis White option, but you'll have to take whatever color seats come up 'in the rotation'."
What you would do is get up and walk out -- you would wonder, "What in the wide, wide world of sports kind of crap is that?"
So, you can see where my ludicrous example is going -- why is it that you can order the wheels but not the tires? Do you think Audi's computer systems couldn't handle another "configuration option?"
If you can specify colors and seats -- and the combinations and permutations that suggests -- there is no doubt that the MRP system Audi employs couldn't have a bill of materials that could include a specific tire (within a range of course). Then Audi could offer those of us who want A/S tires, but also want UHP A/S tires the choice of the Continental, Michelin, or Pirelli models you desire. None of this lottery crap, none of this A/S customer have to take H rated GT tires instead of real Audi worthy shoes.
Maybe they think customers are stupid, or, more likely ignorant of such things.
At this stage of software systems, there is no way their systems wouldn't allow such configurations, for some reason they just have decided not to employ this feature "for wheel and tire combinations." I submit not allowing such choice is akin to my paint color seat color example above.
Imagine the following: You can order your new SQ5 but you can choose the trim level -- so you go ahead and pick Prestige.
Then you say to the dealer who is entering the order into their on-line system, "I'd like Ibis White with the Red Leather seats."
Then the rep stops typing and looks at you and says: "Well, I can get you the Ibis White option, but you'll have to take whatever color seats come up 'in the rotation'."
What you would do is get up and walk out -- you would wonder, "What in the wide, wide world of sports kind of crap is that?"
So, you can see where my ludicrous example is going -- why is it that you can order the wheels but not the tires? Do you think Audi's computer systems couldn't handle another "configuration option?"
If you can specify colors and seats -- and the combinations and permutations that suggests -- there is no doubt that the MRP system Audi employs couldn't have a bill of materials that could include a specific tire (within a range of course). Then Audi could offer those of us who want A/S tires, but also want UHP A/S tires the choice of the Continental, Michelin, or Pirelli models you desire. None of this lottery crap, none of this A/S customer have to take H rated GT tires instead of real Audi worthy shoes.
Maybe they think customers are stupid, or, more likely ignorant of such things.
At this stage of software systems, there is no way their systems wouldn't allow such configurations, for some reason they just have decided not to employ this feature "for wheel and tire combinations." I submit not allowing such choice is akin to my paint color seat color example above.
10-14-2018, 05:57 AM
#27
AudiWorld Senior Member
The computer systems that Audi must surely employ for their manufacturing requirements planning would/could easily allow for another "option" to be specified.
Imagine the following: You can order your new SQ5 but you can choose the trim level -- so you go ahead and pick Prestige.
Then you say to the dealer who is entering the order into their on-line system, "I'd like Ibis White with the Red Leather seats."
Then the rep stops typing and looks at you and says: "Well, I can get you the Ibis White option, but you'll have to take whatever color seats come up 'in the rotation'."
What you would do is get up and walk out -- you would wonder, "What in the wide, wide world of sports kind of crap is that?"
So, you can see where my ludicrous example is going -- why is it that you can order the wheels but not the tires? Do you think Audi's computer systems couldn't handle another "configuration option?"
If you can specify colors and seats -- and the combinations and permutations that suggests -- there is no doubt that the MRP system Audi employs couldn't have a bill of materials that could include a specific tire (within a range of course). Then Audi could offer those of us who want A/S tires, but also want UHP A/S tires the choice of the Continental, Michelin, or Pirelli models you desire. None of this lottery crap, none of this A/S customer have to take H rated GT tires instead of real Audi worthy shoes.
Maybe they think customers are stupid, or, more likely ignorant of such things.
At this stage of software systems, there is no way their systems wouldn't allow such configurations, for some reason they just have decided not to employ this feature "for wheel and tire combinations." I submit not allowing such choice is akin to my paint color seat color example above.
Imagine the following: You can order your new SQ5 but you can choose the trim level -- so you go ahead and pick Prestige.
Then you say to the dealer who is entering the order into their on-line system, "I'd like Ibis White with the Red Leather seats."
Then the rep stops typing and looks at you and says: "Well, I can get you the Ibis White option, but you'll have to take whatever color seats come up 'in the rotation'."
What you would do is get up and walk out -- you would wonder, "What in the wide, wide world of sports kind of crap is that?"
So, you can see where my ludicrous example is going -- why is it that you can order the wheels but not the tires? Do you think Audi's computer systems couldn't handle another "configuration option?"
If you can specify colors and seats -- and the combinations and permutations that suggests -- there is no doubt that the MRP system Audi employs couldn't have a bill of materials that could include a specific tire (within a range of course). Then Audi could offer those of us who want A/S tires, but also want UHP A/S tires the choice of the Continental, Michelin, or Pirelli models you desire. None of this lottery crap, none of this A/S customer have to take H rated GT tires instead of real Audi worthy shoes.
Maybe they think customers are stupid, or, more likely ignorant of such things.
At this stage of software systems, there is no way their systems wouldn't allow such configurations, for some reason they just have decided not to employ this feature "for wheel and tire combinations." I submit not allowing such choice is akin to my paint color seat color example above.
And you are right about customer's attitudes about wheels and tires being deal breakers. I had a deal on a Jag F Pace about 15 months ago. The car that I wanted with the equipment I wanted, except the "wrong" wheels. Salesman knew I didn't want the black wheels, an $1800 option. But I negotiated the deal. When it came down to the wheels, he was not willing to swap out to a different wheel, even though I had negotiated a higher price and was willing to take a lower price wheel w/out me asking for a discount. I walked.
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