I'm done with my new Q7...and probably with Audi.
#12
AudiWorld Super User
Is this a serious post? Car manufacturers change specifications and features all the time. If not impossible, it is certainly very expensive to perpetually have the newest and shiniest. That's how manufacturers separate us from our money.
I'm sorry I don't share your outrage. GL.
I'm sorry I don't share your outrage. GL.
Last edited by NABS4; 11-14-2016 at 04:18 PM.
#13
AudiWorld Super User
There's a setting which can automatically engage the front sensors when pulling into a parking place. This can also be accomplished by pushing the parking sensor button on the dash.
#14
It seems like everyone has focused on the fact that the parking sensors are the main reason I sold my Q7. Its not. They are part of the reason however. Not that I had a vehicle that was surpassed my newer technology, but that I had a vehicle that is in serious danger of being vastly reduced in value because of the decisions that Audi has made / is making.
1) Screwing over those that purchased the vehicle in the first 6 months and offering no upgrades for a change in the part installed. While this is the first one like this who knows how many more will follow in the next 2 years where those that initially purchased the vehicle will not be able to partake in upgrades.
2) The 3.0 engine scandal. This is really the big thing. The previous scandal was known and being worked on so we all knew that the resale value of your car MAY be at risk. Yet we all took that chance anyways, mostly because of the good reputation that Audi has had in the past. We forgave them this desecration. But now we find out that Audi basically said "screw you" to all buyers AFTER the initial scandal broke by hiding YET ANOTHER SCANDAL!! This is the main issue I have and the main reason I sold the vehicle. Because I cannot trust Audi, I cannot trust that they will care one bit about me as a customer. I did not buy an $82,000 vehicle to get a $500.00 gift card and lose 50% plus of my resale value down the road.
Honestly however I am not upset...I am disappointed. Disappointed that I have purchased two vehicles from Audi and know that both of them are part of a scandal that will seriously erode their value. And based on the parking sensor issue I also now know that Audi will not do the right thing and fix it. They will do the cheapest thing and think of themselves....and not the customer.
Just my thoughts. I know that most everyone will not agree with this. Personally I loved driving the car, love the technology, and loved most everything about it... but in the end I can not trust the car company that made it.
1) Screwing over those that purchased the vehicle in the first 6 months and offering no upgrades for a change in the part installed. While this is the first one like this who knows how many more will follow in the next 2 years where those that initially purchased the vehicle will not be able to partake in upgrades.
2) The 3.0 engine scandal. This is really the big thing. The previous scandal was known and being worked on so we all knew that the resale value of your car MAY be at risk. Yet we all took that chance anyways, mostly because of the good reputation that Audi has had in the past. We forgave them this desecration. But now we find out that Audi basically said "screw you" to all buyers AFTER the initial scandal broke by hiding YET ANOTHER SCANDAL!! This is the main issue I have and the main reason I sold the vehicle. Because I cannot trust Audi, I cannot trust that they will care one bit about me as a customer. I did not buy an $82,000 vehicle to get a $500.00 gift card and lose 50% plus of my resale value down the road.
Honestly however I am not upset...I am disappointed. Disappointed that I have purchased two vehicles from Audi and know that both of them are part of a scandal that will seriously erode their value. And based on the parking sensor issue I also now know that Audi will not do the right thing and fix it. They will do the cheapest thing and think of themselves....and not the customer.
Just my thoughts. I know that most everyone will not agree with this. Personally I loved driving the car, love the technology, and loved most everything about it... but in the end I can not trust the car company that made it.
#15
AudiWorld Senior Member
Is this a serious post? Car manufacturers change specifications and features all the time. If not impossible, it is certainly very expensive to perpetually have the newest and shiniest. That's how manufacturers separate us from our money.
I'm sorry I don't share your outrage. GL.
I'm sorry I don't share your outrage. GL.
My Q7 does not have the feature and personally I do not mind that much. Would it be nice? Sure. But not at all a deal breaker for me. I do understand the OP's frustration however.
#16
AudiWorld Member
I think you are missing the point a little bit. Obviously car makers will change and improve their vehicles features / functions, but that usually occurs from model year to model year. The OP is upset because we are talking about all MY 17 Q7s. It may be one thing had this particular function been added due to a recall or regulation issue (then that might be understandable). It was the choice of Audi for some unknown reason to suddenly install different sensors and updated software in Q7s made after May but not before. The vehicles made after May do not cost any different, so in defense of the OP, why should someone that took delivery in June not get the function but someone that took delivery in July get it? If anything, its sure to cause some confusion on dealer lots, as its quite possible many dealers will end up for a time period with some stock having the function and some not. Nothing like test driving a $70K + vehicle with certain features only to find out after taking delivery the following week that yours does not have them.
My Q7 does not have the feature and personally I do not mind that much. Would it be nice? Sure. But not at all a deal breaker for me. I do understand the OP's frustration however.
My Q7 does not have the feature and personally I do not mind that much. Would it be nice? Sure. But not at all a deal breaker for me. I do understand the OP's frustration however.
(These are three different links to discussion on this topic.)
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/q7-.../#post24857662
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/q7-.../#post24859058
https://www.audiworld.com/forums/q7-.../#post24861137
I don't know exactly when the 'sensors front not on automatically' was deemed to be due to a 0443 vs 0692 SW difference only.
#17
I just sold my Q7. I had a build date of December and received my car in January. While this car has exceeded my expectations in ride comfort and technology, there are serious issues in how Audi is dealing with early owners of the vehicle. I paid $82,000 for a vehicle I expected would be state-of-the-art in technology from a company who was supposed to be the best in the industry when it came to service. Sadly this is not the case.
#18
AudiWorld Senior Member
I paid $82,000 for a vehicle I expected would be state-of-the-art in technology from a company who was supposed to be the best in the industry when it came to service. Sadly this is not the case.
In the last three months I have discovered that my car does not have the required parking sensors to upgrade to the new software (needed to be built after May) and there are no plans to upgrade to them. Now it is part of this emission scandal where the Q7's build before May are part of the software cheat (per Wall Street Journal). Either one of these items have the potential to destroy any resale value and while that is just a potential I can say with certainly that Audi has destroyed my faith in them as a company.
In the last three months I have discovered that my car does not have the required parking sensors to upgrade to the new software (needed to be built after May) and there are no plans to upgrade to them. Now it is part of this emission scandal where the Q7's build before May are part of the software cheat (per Wall Street Journal). Either one of these items have the potential to destroy any resale value and while that is just a potential I can say with certainly that Audi has destroyed my faith in them as a company.
In my opinion, Audi has really screwed over those of us that are early adopters as well as apparently lied to us. Purchasing a car of this type and quality is more than just writing a check. It is about allowing the owner to feel that they were part of the experience...that they could reward themselves with a vehicle that stands above the rest. Sadly the new Q7 I purchased is not revealing itself to be no better than...well, then a Volkswagen. Frankly I do not want to own an $82,000 Volkswagen. The sad part is I also just purchased a new Q5 as well...that is also involved in the new 3.0 scandal. A scandal that was not revealed months ago when the original scandal happened.
Last edited by plat27265; 11-14-2016 at 07:44 PM.
#19
This happened to me on the 2013 Infiniti qx56. I ordered mine custom, waited 4 months and was one of the first deliveries on MY 2013 in TX.
6 months later.. Infiniti did a mid year upgrade to the nav system where they added features like connection to Google maps etc.
I was pissed. I bitched to Infiniti about it... They threw in free maintenance for 2 years to make me happy.
I took it and moved on. Surprisingly... Never thought about that ever again and never missed those advanced nav features....
6 months later.. Infiniti did a mid year upgrade to the nav system where they added features like connection to Google maps etc.
I was pissed. I bitched to Infiniti about it... They threw in free maintenance for 2 years to make me happy.
I took it and moved on. Surprisingly... Never thought about that ever again and never missed those advanced nav features....
#20
AudiWorld Super User
It is not unheard of that certain features of new vehicles are phased in and can't necessarily be retrofitted later on. Doesn't just happen with cars. Being an early adopter requires a certain level of acceptance.
It's wrong that improvements and additions are only made on a model year or refresh cycle basis. Audi like other manufacturers redesigns parts and adds features throughout the model year. They install updated software and even redesigned parts throughout the model year. Some of these updates become available as dealer updates if they are deemed to fix premature failures or fix customer complaints, but the auto industry is not known for adding new features post sale.
This is part of why I generally buy cars after the midcycle refresh or at least wait a model year or two after the introduction of a new model. I've been an early adopter many times in my life for various products. It wasn't always pleasant. The older I get the less willing I am to be an early adopter for stuff that I depend on.
The emissions cheat is a different issue and I certainly understand your concern. I suspect Audi/VW are not the only one and we'll learn of other manufacturers doing this as the investigations go on.
It's wrong that improvements and additions are only made on a model year or refresh cycle basis. Audi like other manufacturers redesigns parts and adds features throughout the model year. They install updated software and even redesigned parts throughout the model year. Some of these updates become available as dealer updates if they are deemed to fix premature failures or fix customer complaints, but the auto industry is not known for adding new features post sale.
This is part of why I generally buy cars after the midcycle refresh or at least wait a model year or two after the introduction of a new model. I've been an early adopter many times in my life for various products. It wasn't always pleasant. The older I get the less willing I am to be an early adopter for stuff that I depend on.
The emissions cheat is a different issue and I certainly understand your concern. I suspect Audi/VW are not the only one and we'll learn of other manufacturers doing this as the investigations go on.
Last edited by superswiss; 11-14-2016 at 08:00 PM.