Audi Phasing Out Manual Transmissions In Europe In Favor Of DSG
11-11-2011, 09:33 AM
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title could read 'audi customers just not buying manual transmissions much anymore'.
Seems to be a trend. Even the S4, an enthusiast's model, is moving heavily toward the DSG. We polled the B6/7 forum a few years ago and it was about 2/3 manual, 1/3 tipronic.
The B8 forum was polled this week, and they're only 45% manual.
Seems to be a trend. Even the S4, an enthusiast's model, is moving heavily toward the DSG. We polled the B6/7 forum a few years ago and it was about 2/3 manual, 1/3 tipronic.
The B8 forum was polled this week, and they're only 45% manual.
11-11-2011, 09:40 AM
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45% is not really a minority. I'd say the manual fans should be under 25% to be considered a minority. The paddle shifting benefits are really for track driving, otherwise DSG is an automatic. Soon, someone is going to survey people and find out that 99% of DSG drivers are not using the paddles. Does that mean that eventually all transmissions will be automatics?
Choices are being taken away from us and that sucks...!
Choices are being taken away from us and that sucks...!
11-11-2011, 03:25 PM
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It's a simple matter of buyers who don't know and/or have never been trained, to drive manual transmissions. When I was 15 (41 years ago) and took driver's ed, it was 6 hours behind the wheel - 5 hours automatic, 1 hour stick. Back then, half the kids I hung with either drove a farm tractor, farm truck, or a garden tractor with a clutch. If that wasn't enough, the government-operated schools provided drivers ed to teach you! Come to think of it, maybe that's the first positive teaching to come out of a public school 
! Things have changed. a LOT. today. Nobody knows how to drive a stick. It was just a matter of time before the ranks of stick-capable car buyers waned. Fun's over. Sucks.
On the flip side, I teach my teens to drive stick (they love to learn on the RS4), buy them a stick and pay less for it, and I feel comfortable in that none of their friends can drive their car. Plus, my kids are saving gas money and are FAR more involved in the driving experience which directly correlates to a safer, more attentive, more skilled drivers. They seem to enjoy having "one up" on their friends who are impressed that my kids know how to drive a stick.
! Things have changed. a LOT. today. Nobody knows how to drive a stick. It was just a matter of time before the ranks of stick-capable car buyers waned. Fun's over. Sucks.On the flip side, I teach my teens to drive stick (they love to learn on the RS4), buy them a stick and pay less for it, and I feel comfortable in that none of their friends can drive their car. Plus, my kids are saving gas money and are FAR more involved in the driving experience which directly correlates to a safer, more attentive, more skilled drivers. They seem to enjoy having "one up" on their friends who are impressed that my kids know how to drive a stick.
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11-11-2011, 04:15 PM
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No car maker makes a higher percentage of manuals than porsche (65%) a few years ago and they are losing share to the PDK year after year.
Porsche is planning to completely phase out manuals in 5 years.
BMW hates making manuals, believes its an american sickness, current ones may be the last.
Audi is falling in line.
Ferrari and lamborghini haven't made a manual in years.
It sucks but the manual will no longer exist by the end of this decade.
Porsche is planning to completely phase out manuals in 5 years.
BMW hates making manuals, believes its an american sickness, current ones may be the last.
Audi is falling in line.
Ferrari and lamborghini haven't made a manual in years.
It sucks but the manual will no longer exist by the end of this decade.
11-11-2011, 04:25 PM
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No car maker makes a higher percentage of manuals than porsche (65%) a few years ago and they are losing share to the PDK year after year.
Porsche is planning to completely phase out manuals in 5 years.
BMW hates making manuals, believes its an american sickness, current ones may be the last.
Audi is falling in line.
Ferrari and lamborghini haven't made a manual in years.
It sucks but the manual will no longer exist by the end of this decade.
Porsche is planning to completely phase out manuals in 5 years.
BMW hates making manuals, believes its an american sickness, current ones may be the last.
Audi is falling in line.
Ferrari and lamborghini haven't made a manual in years.
It sucks but the manual will no longer exist by the end of this decade.
11-11-2011, 04:49 PM
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From Lamborghini's website:
DRIVETRAIN
Type of trasmission: Permanent 4-wheel drive with viscous traction system
Gearbox: 6 Speed + reverse, an optional, robotized sequential e-Gear system with actuation by paddles on steering column
Clutch: Double plate ø 215 mm (ø 8,46 in)
Rear differential: 45% limited slip
Front differential: Limited slip by ABD function
6-speed manual is standard and E-gear is optional. I happen to have driven several stick shift Lambos all the way through MY 2011.
DRIVETRAIN
Type of trasmission: Permanent 4-wheel drive with viscous traction system
Gearbox: 6 Speed + reverse, an optional, robotized sequential e-Gear system with actuation by paddles on steering column
Clutch: Double plate ø 215 mm (ø 8,46 in)
Rear differential: 45% limited slip
Front differential: Limited slip by ABD function
6-speed manual is standard and E-gear is optional. I happen to have driven several stick shift Lambos all the way through MY 2011.
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11-12-2011, 06:50 AM
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My dad had a 2007 330i in a stick and it was lousy...the throws were so far apart and the clutch didn't have a responsive feel and was very rough...would need a lot of upgrades to be more performance oriented...but their tiptronic is fun to drive and very responsive..
11-12-2011, 07:08 AM
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Interesting! Other than longer than usual throws, I've always thought their sticks were fine.