Timmay

WTF?!? That's the same as the 6MT S4!!! That's stock too so who knows what some performance mods will do to that beast!

I'm waiting for your commentary dave :-)

hottuna

here is a thread if you want to check out the article. I agree w modding , its gonna be a beast

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/10753/2007-bmw-335i-coupe-official-photos-and-info.html

RSfizzy

Yeah but the car is still ugly as fark.

Jas0n

an enthusiast forum. performance, and not looks should be the prime measure of a car's worth. everytime some mentions a car that isnt the best looking (sti, evo, new 330), everyone is so quick to dismiss the performance of the car merely because of looks. i suppose its motivated by resentment, wherein one feels the need to invert values - such as the axiom that function > form - in an attempt to disvalue things they cannot attain (such as the performance, stock, of the new 330; once mods are considered, the new s4 will not likely be a performance contender). look at what a tbe and em can do for a 2.0t gti mkv!!! consider what they did for the 2.7tt, although the 330 does have an AL block and will thus, most likely, be compression limited.

FinickyDriver

there is value in aesthetics though...and it is ugly as fark

April

reinforce the internals. It appears to not get the fancy magnesium and aluminum block/crankcase.

Obviously they don't want to step on the toes of the 400+hp M3 either.

Apparently coming only in the Coupe and Convertivle for now, and substantially more expensive than the regular normally aspirated cars.

Of course since the convertible is a hard top, it will make for a higher center of gravity.

RSfizzy

Why drive a pig if you don't want to or have to? IMO the new 3-series is ugly. With unlimited funds, you can take any car and turn it into a supercar. With $30,000, you could put a supercharger on the RS4 and it would have @550 horsepower. This would blow the other cars away and still look good doing it .

Jas0n

you could buy an evo and an sti in place on an rs4, but you could also save that money, or rather, invest it in either car and have a trule amazing sports car unrivalved by any car but the most exotic. as for the rs4, do you actually believe you will be able to supercharge the rs4 motor?? if so, your a moron. you honestly think audi left that type of performance in the car; this is an rs model, it has been tuned very closely to the limits of the car. you argue: "With $30,000, you could put a supercharger on the RS4 and it would have @550 horsepower. This would blow the other cars away and still look good doing it." Sure but then you have 100k invest in a depreciating asset. With $10k you can have an sti putting out 600whp and still have $20k left over for a daily driver. the point being, when speaking of performance, looks dont matter.

function > form

Jas0n

merely because it is ugly - which is a most subjective value - does not mean it has an impact on the performance of the car, an objective valuation (lap times, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile, skid pad, etc ...).

sparkhill

Most of us make cosmetic mods to our cars. Looks are important. I have seriously considered an M5 while waiting for my RS4. ONE of my reasons to justify not getting the M5 was that is was so ugly.

I don't have to justify my RS4 purchase decision by putting down other cars. I do think that Audi makes the best looking sedans inside and out. It is just a personal preference.

I think the whole performance comparison between the cars within a segment is a bit ridiculous. I don't street race and don't really car about the my car being incrementally faster than the competition. There is always a faster car out there. So what if an ugly Bangle BMW is a little faster 0-60. Although the Subaru makes great cars, it is a complete joke to compare them to Audi when it comes to build quality. The Audi is much more expensive. It is like comparing the RS4 to the 997 TT -- from a performance and price standpoint there is no comparison.