S4 (B6 & B7 Platforms) Discussion Discussion forum for the B6 Audi S4 produced from 2003-2005 And B7 Audi S4 produced from 2005 -2008

OT: How much does 1 PSI of air weigh...in a tire?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-15-2005, 03:55 PM
  #1  
New Member
Thread Starter
 
808S4DRVR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

OT: How much does 1 PSI of air weigh...in a tire?
Old 04-15-2005, 04:38 PM
  #2  
AudiWorld Super User
 
Jet Jockey/A4 Pilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 18,597
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Link dead?
Old 04-15-2005, 05:00 PM
  #3  
New Member
Thread Starter
 
808S4DRVR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hahaha, actually I asked the question. Anyone knows the answer?
Old 04-15-2005, 05:10 PM
  #4  
AudiWorld Super User
 
hman_a4's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 18,200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

guessing 1 pound at sea level?
Old 04-15-2005, 05:18 PM
  #5  
Audiworld Junior Member
 
docspine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: guessing 1 pound at sea level?

PV=NRT. Depends on temperature, tire size, altitude and how many martinis before figuring the value.
Old 04-15-2005, 05:30 PM
  #6  
Audiworld Junior Member
 
docspine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: OT: How much does 1 PSI of air weigh...in a tire?

:
Total weight of tire + wheel + air ~60 lbs = ~30 kg
Inside diameter of tire 15" = ~40 cm = 4 dm
Outside diameter of tire (actually the space inside the tire) 21" = ~50 cm = 5 dm
Width of wheel 6" = ~15 cm = 1.5 dm
Pressure inside the tire 30 psi = ~ 2 bar (that is, twice "standard" pressure)
Temperature 25° C ("standard" temperature)
(I'm using dm = decimeters for length because I want to measure volume in liters, that is, cubic decimeters.)
Air, at "standard temperature and pressure" (STP), has a molar volume of 22.4 liters and an average molar mass of 29 grams, that is, one mole of air masses 29 grams and takes up 22.4 liters at STP. Since we're estimating a pressure of twice "standard," the volume of 29 grams of air will be only 11.2 liters.

To get the mass of air, we need the volume inside the tire. For that we use the volume difference between two cylinders, one representing the wheel and the other representing the tire mounted on the wheel. The volume of a cylinder is given by

V = p Ã-- radius2 Ã-- height

Remember that radius is diameter ¸ 2. For the wheel, the volume is given by
p Ã-- (4 dm ¸ 2)2 Ã-- 1.5 dm = 19 liters (cubic decimeters).

For the tire mounted on the wheel, the total volume is given by
p Ã-- (5 dm ¸ 2)2 Ã-- 1.5 dm = 29 liters (cubic decimeters).

The volume difference is just 10 liters, which means that the air in the tire will mass about 26 grams, less than 0.1% of the total weight (30 kg = 30,000 g) we estimated for the tire + the wheel.
Because of buoyancy effects, the air will only weigh 13 grams, less than 0.05%! Also, the thickness of the tire is negligible for our purposes.
Old 04-15-2005, 06:16 PM
  #7  
AudiWorld Super User
 
ESFO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 7,738
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Fiddy
Old 04-15-2005, 06:26 PM
  #8  
AudiWorld Super User
 
Jet Jockey/A4 Pilot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 18,597
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default WTF? Standard temperature is 15 C (59 F) at sea level at 1013.2 Mb (29.92" of mercury)...

Otherwise your equation/formula is mombo jumbo to me!
Old 04-15-2005, 08:15 PM
  #9  
AudiWorld Super User
 
sayemthree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,882
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

PSI is not a measure of quantity. invalid question.
Old 04-16-2005, 05:23 AM
  #10  
Audiworld Junior Member
 
RedWing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 800
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Looking to see how much the air in your tires weighs?

If you know the volume of air, you can easily estimate the mass of air (and hence weight) using the ideal gas law at various temperatures, pressures. Very simple calculation.


Quick Reply: OT: How much does 1 PSI of air weigh...in a tire?



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:47 PM.