Any ideas on how to preserve the engine if you can't drive your S4 much?
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... When I've gone out for a weekend spree, the engine always sounds distinctly unhappy at first. (In fact, all but one of my trips have been completely unplanned; I basically get in to swap cars in the driveway, and find myself unable/unwilling to shut off the ignition b/c it sounds so *wrong*, so I just...keep driving.) After an hour on the road (weekend traffic here is generally awful, so I haven't found a place where I can really let the car out), the engine sounds and feels much better, but I can't help but think we're screwing it over w/the short trips and minimal driving.
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I would not be driving it in D mode very often during this period of running in / short trips. The engine will be much happier in S mode, and the right foot is a useful tool for keeping rpm under 4000 or so until you get to the magic 1000 mile mark. Or just use the paddle to upshift if the transmission is getting a bit excited in S mode, which it can do. D mode is all about maximising efficiency, and not at all about being kind to the engine.
Yes, oil temperature is a better measure than coolant temperature in terms of engine "conditioning". But where one goes, the other will follow. And this is less an issue with VW508.00/509.00 oil spec. The VC does show oil temperature when in Sport mode (centre tachometer).
As you're giving it a longer run on the weekend, I wouldn't be at all worried. As uberwgn implied, they are engineered to cope with tougher stuff than its getting in your household
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I assume you are using supreme unleaded (at least 91 octane) and getting it from somewhere like Chevron, Shell, 76? Assuming that I wouldn't worry too much about driving it every week over 20 minutes. However, I probably would at least try to have a 30 minute drive once a month, which shouldn't be too hard to do.
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Uberwgn, swiss, plat, thank you. Oil temp is being tracked--my husband has been keeping note of it, just b/c it's there--but he hadn't realized that the ~160F he was managing wasn't anywhere close to mostly warm. Plat, a 30-min long-way drive home is an extra 100 min/week of stop-and-go traffic for my husband, so he says he'll pass, but at least I can feel good about having him occasionally detour to get groceries on the way back. Also, it's interesting to note the maintenance costs (time-wise) on a car like this.
So, no magic bullet. As far as carbon buildup, have you found that it's worse than just the back of the intake valves, or is it more extensive? Essentially, can we get away w/a not-that-frequent <$2k intake valve cleaning, or do we cough up for the extended warranty and hope our dealership really knows how to take these engines completely apart, scrape every bit to heck (though not too much), and re-assemble it properly? Thinking about this is making me ever-so-slightly miss the naturally aspirated MPFI V6 on our B5.5 Passat. The car itself was boat (and a pain after a Waste Management truck dropped its driveshaft in front of us on the highway), but the engine was beautifully linear and quiet, and it never gave me the sense that it was about to tear itself to pieces in existential despair.
Frequent short trips are particularly problematic for these direct injection engines. It's one of the main contributors to carbon buildup. The only real remedy is to not do short trips.[...] As we say around here, a redline a day keeps the mechanic away. In your situation I would recommend the good ol' Italian tuneup. Basically go drive the car hard once in a while for an extended period. Traditionally done before an oil change as some traces of carbon will find their way to the oil pan.
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It is a B-cycle engine, so it is a bit lumpy at idle and low rpm, particularly when cold and in D mode. It is why they are using a new low viscosity oil spec with this engine. I am also reasonably confident that Audi use a counter in the ECU to trigger changes in parameters pre/post the run-in cycle (we have two S5's, one run in and one not).
I would not be driving it in D mode very often during this period of running in / short trips. The engine will be much happier in S mode, and the right foot is a useful tool for keeping rpm under 4000 or so until you get to the magic 1000 mile mark. Or just use the paddle to upshift if the transmission is getting a bit excited in S mode, which it can do. D mode is all about maximising efficiency, and not at all about being kind to the engine.
Yes, oil temperature is a better measure than coolant temperature in terms of engine "conditioning". But where one goes, the other will follow. And this is less an issue with VW508.00/509.00 oil spec. The VC does show oil temperature when in Sport mode (centre tachometer).
As you're giving it a longer run on the weekend, I wouldn't be at all worried. As uberwgn implied, they are engineered to cope with tougher stuff than its getting in your household
I would not be driving it in D mode very often during this period of running in / short trips. The engine will be much happier in S mode, and the right foot is a useful tool for keeping rpm under 4000 or so until you get to the magic 1000 mile mark. Or just use the paddle to upshift if the transmission is getting a bit excited in S mode, which it can do. D mode is all about maximising efficiency, and not at all about being kind to the engine.
Yes, oil temperature is a better measure than coolant temperature in terms of engine "conditioning". But where one goes, the other will follow. And this is less an issue with VW508.00/509.00 oil spec. The VC does show oil temperature when in Sport mode (centre tachometer).
As you're giving it a longer run on the weekend, I wouldn't be at all worried. As uberwgn implied, they are engineered to cope with tougher stuff than its getting in your household
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So, no magic bullet. As far as carbon buildup, have you found that it's worse than just the back of the intake valves, or is it more extensive? Essentially, can we get away w/a not-that-frequent <$2k intake valve cleaning, or do we cough up for the extended warranty and hope our dealership really knows how to take these engines completely apart, scrape every bit to heck (though not too much), and re-assemble it properly? Thinking about this is making me ever-so-slightly miss the naturally aspirated MPFI V6 on our B5.5 Passat. The car itself was boat (and a pain after a Waste Management truck dropped its driveshaft in front of us on the highway), but the engine was beautifully linear and quiet, and it never gave me the sense that it was about to tear itself to pieces in existential despair.
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Excellent, thank you. In the forums here there are hideous photos of carbon-caked parts, and lots of talk of needing to drop (different) engines, so I was worried. Understand we will likely suffer significant performance degradation before the misfires begin.
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All: thanks for the feedback and education. After reading your responses, I've decided to give up all daylight personal time for the next week in order to get the car out of the run-in period, after which we can redline twice daily w/o feeling guilty. Unfortunately the husband drove like a granny for the first ~200 mi (<2k rpm, b/c that's what he thinks the SA told him, ffs), but I guess we'll deal w/any repercussions from that when we have to. I had the car out today for 90 min in only semi-clotted traffic, turned up deadmau5 up loud to mask the engine drone, and had some fun. Only sad bit is that the S4 runs up far too easily against my personal limit of keeping under 30-over (I don't want to lose my license), and of course when I had to swap it back. I shouldn't be surprised, but Q7 in comparison feels like a jacked-up brick.
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