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sean-B5S4 12-28-2017 11:38 AM

HELP PLEASE ......s4 cranks but won't start
 
car has been sitting for 3 years the battery died and I replaced it with a non factory battery - the key fob was not working so I also replaced the batteries in it ....cant find the other key fob I only have one ......

please advise....

sean-B5S4 12-29-2017 09:24 AM

HERE ARE MY DTC'S



Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 2.7l V6/5VT G 0003
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 2842EC3CC808CE06F9-5140

6 Faults Found:
18014 - Rough Road/Engine Torque Signal from ABS
P1606 - 35-10 - Electrical Malfunction - Intermittent
17861 - Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor 1 (G235)
P1453 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
17865 - Exhaust Gas Temp Sensor 2 (G236)
P1457 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
17521 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor; B1 S1
P1113 - 35-10 - Internal Resistance too High - Intermittent
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
17834 - EVAP Purge Valve (N80)
P1426 - 35-10 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Readiness: 0000 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 26131
VCID: 2D4C1D28E7EAEB2E0A-2580

1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 3A66267426A44C969F-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2C4A102CDCF0E2261D-5140

1 Fault Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

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Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D16
Coding: 16200
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 4092549C40781646D1-5140

4 Faults Found:
01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed

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Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS3.lbl
Part No: 4B0 919 887 A
Component: Navigation 0001
VCID: 31740158FBD28FCE2E-4B00

1 Fault Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 60D2B41CE0B87646F1-4B00

2 Faults Found:
01382 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Left
35-00 - -
01383 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Right
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D003
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 65DCA508FF9A136E02-5140

1 Fault Found:
01538 - Motors for Headlight Range Adjustment (V48) / (V49)
28-00 - Short to Plus

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 07:40)--------------------------

EricVonHa 01-08-2018 09:58 AM

Clear the codes, then attempt to re-start the car. What codes return?

Where are you located?

sean-B5S4 01-08-2018 11:31 AM

I cleared and retried two other times

2nd attempt:

Wednesday,27,December,2017,17:49:10:64469
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.8.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20171130 DS276.6
Ross-Tech: Home




Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 2.7l V6/5VT G 0003
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 2842EC3CC808CE06F9-5140

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 26131
VCID: 2D4C1D28E7EAEB2E0A-2580

1 Fault Found:
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 3A66267426A44C969F-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2C4A102CDCF0E2261D-5140

1 Fault Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D16
Coding: 16200
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 4092549C40781646D1-5140

4 Faults Found:
01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS3.lbl
Part No: 4B0 919 887 A
Component: Navigation 0001
VCID: 31740158FBD28FCE2E-4B00

1 Fault Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 60D2B41CE0B87646F1-4B00

2 Faults Found:
01382 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Left
35-00 - -
01383 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Right
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D003
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 65DCA508FF9A136E02-5140

1 Fault Found:
01538 - Motors for Headlight Range Adjustment (V48) / (V49)
28-00 - Short to Plus

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 06:24)--------------------------

3RD ATTEMPT:

Saturday,06,January,2018,16:11:15:64469
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x64
VCDS Version: 17.8.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20171130 DS276.6
Ross-Tech: Home





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Chassis Type: 8D - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B5 (1995 > 2002)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 25 35 37 45 55 56 57 67 75 76 77

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 078-907-551-AZA.lbl
Part No: 8D0 907 551 A
Component: 2.7l V6/5VT G 0003
Coding: 06611
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 2842EC3CC808CE06F9-5140

1 Fault Found:
18010 - Power Supply Terminal 30
P1602 - 35-10 - Voltage too Low - Intermittent
Readiness: 0110 0101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8D0-820-043-1D.lbl
Part No: 8D0 820 043 P
Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D58
Coding: 00160
Shop #: WSC 26131
VCID: 2D4C1D28E7EAEB2E0A-2580

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8D0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8D0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag Front+Kopf 1002
Coding: 00304
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 3A66267426A44C969F-5140

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8D0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8D0 920 980 D
Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D09
Coding: 02264
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2C4A102CDCF0E2261D-5140

1 Fault Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels:. 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8L0 862 257 N
Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D16
Coding: 16200
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 4092549C40781646D1-5140

4 Faults Found:
01367 - Central Locking Pump Run Time Exceeded (Likely Leak)
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00956 - Key 2
09-00 - Adaptation Limit Surpassed

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4B0-919-887-BNS3.lbl
Part No: 4B0 919 887 A
Component: Navigation 0001
VCID: 31740158FBD28FCE2E-4B00

1 Fault Found:
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00101
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 60D2B41CE0B87646F1-4B00

2 Faults Found:
01382 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Left
35-00 - -
01383 - Alarm triggered by Anti-Theft Sensor; Front Right
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D003
Coding: 00012
Shop #: WSC 06325
VCID: 65DCA508FF9A136E02-5140

1 Fault Found:
01538 - Motors for Headlight Range Adjustment (V48) / (V49)
28-00 - Short to Plus

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 34:49)--------------------------

EricVonHa 01-15-2018 06:23 PM

No "engine" codes are being shown. The low battery voltage is typical for battery on/off/jumpstarting

Back to basics for troubleshooting since there are no codes.

Fuel up to the rail?

Spark from coil packs? (could be anything including crank sensor, oil sensor, etc)

Or, reallly back to basics, is the timing belt actually intact?

What do the plugs look like?

Was the motor ever out of the car? (loose ground?)

sean-B5S4 01-16-2018 07:55 AM

Back to basics is right ,....looking into fuel, spark, air.
but the engine has never been out ...
It does have the giac chip though ? will that screw things up .
I've re-seated it with no results ..
the fuel level sensor is sending a code and the gauge is showing empty with ten gallons inside.
will that kill the start ?

EricVonHa 01-16-2018 05:41 PM

you should be able to hear the pump "prime" when the ignition is turned forward (right before the crank position)

Additionally, fuel should be present at the fuel rail. Crack open one of the lines after priming the pump and it should readily leak out.

sean-B5S4 01-16-2018 08:12 PM

I tried Listening out for the pump while a friend turned the key to the on position and I couldn't hear anything I tried hitting the tank as well to get it going but nothing ...I really hope it's not the pump or the fuel level sensor like the VAG might suggest but I still haven't checked the fuel rail

EricVonHa 01-17-2018 07:05 PM

The pump is easy to hear when the key is turned forward to "on".

Probably a dead fuel pump. No noise would confirm that. There is no code for a dead fuel pump.

sean-B5S4 01-21-2018 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by EricVonHa (Post 25097840)
The pump is easy to hear when the key is turned forward to "on".

Probably a dead fuel pump. No noise would confirm that. There is no code for a dead fuel pump.


I'll research that this week and get into the fuel rail to see if the pump is sending any fuel ... next will be spark if all is good


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